[Foundation-l] mirroring a portion of the wikipedia

Thu Feb 19 19:25:14 UTC 2009

Isn't that what outsourcing is...

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2009/2/19 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> Hoi,
> It is not outsourcing at all. Quite the contrary, it would be people from
> elsewhere, people who are likely to be trusted from elsewhere editing our
> content from somewhere else as well. In essence it would be an ultimate mash
> up.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> 2009/2/19 Chad <innocentkiller at gmail.com>
>
>> Was it ever on French servers?
>> That aside: the two situations are entirely different. This proposal
>> is effectively outsourcing a section of Wikipedia to some experts
>> in the field. That's entirely unlike the Foundation deciding to add
>> an additional language for Wikipedia to appear in.
>>
>> Playing devil's advocate here...it could honestly be an interesting idea.
>> Provided the account on their end is attached to an account on
>> our end (with no IPs, so no worries of using as a proxy), it could
>> be entirely do-able. Editing can be done remotely via the API and
>> content can be drawn down to their copies. Other than the live
>> mirroring issue, it's entirely doable.
>>
>> -Chad
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen
>> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > Hoi,
>> > The French Wikipedia may pre-date the WMF but the hosting of the French
>> > Wikipedia has always been done by the WMF. So your argument is a bit
>> flaky.
>> > Thanks,
>> >      GerardM
>> >
>> > 2009/2/19 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
>> >
>> > > The French Wikipedia wasn't created by the Foundation.
>> > >
>> > > skype: node.ue
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2009/2/18 basedrop <basedrop at gmail.com>:
>> > > > Hello Thomas and thanks for your response.
>> > > >
>> > > > I would point out that the foundation created a French version,
>>  hosted
>> > > it
>> > > > on French servers, in the French language because they saw the
>> benefit
>> > of
>> > > > delivering something to a specific constituency.
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't have a particular need to have the art history portion of the
>> > > wiki
>> > > > editable for my users at my domain.  I have the specialized users at
>> my
>> > > > site,  I'd like to take advantage of that aggregation of specialized
>> > > users
>> > > > to the benefit of the wiki.    If you guys don't have an API for me,
>> >  I'm
>> > > > o.k. with that.
>> > > >
>> > > > Web content is becoming more integrated across multiple platforms and
>> > > > domains.   People can post to Facebook from twitter.  People can
>> check
>> > > Gmail
>> > > > from POP3 clients.  People can post to a blog, and the data will
>> > > instantly
>> > > > replicate over multiple blogs around the world.  I can pull data from
>> > > > multiple sources and aggregate it with an rss feed reader.   This is
>> > the
>> > > > direction content and the web is heading.
>> > > >
>> > > > Bring the users to one domain, and keep the content within that
>> domain
>> > > can
>> > > > be called the "walled garden" approach.  It is not a bad one, when
>> you
>> > > have
>> > > > a need to control the users (e.g. facebook,) and the content.   In
>> the
>> > > case
>> > > > of the wiki,  I'd suggest a more democratic approach of bringing the
>> > wiki
>> > > to
>> > > > the people.   You already do that with a push version of the wiki,
>>  I'm
>> > > just
>> > > > suggesting you take it one step further and make it editable.
>> Imagine
>> > > > sections of the wiki,  right where the experts are aggregated.
>> > > Space.com
>> > > > hosting a concurrent version of the astronomy section.   Technology
>> at
>> > > > slashdot.org.   Law at nolo.com... you get the drift.
>> > > >
>> > > > You guys consider this.  In the mean time I'll build up my site and
>> my
>> > > user
>> > > > base.   If there is a way to integrate in the future,  I'll do that.
>> >  I'm
>> > > > going to shoot for using openID, so this is just another reason for
>> you
>> > > guys
>> > > > to consider the use of openID as well.
>> > > >
>> > > > Michael
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
>> > > > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Thomas
>> > > Dalton
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:57 PM
>> > > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] mirroring a portion of the wikipedia
>> > > >
>> > > > 2009/2/18 basedrop <basedrop at gmail.com>:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Hello,
>> > > >> I'm not sure if this is the place to pose this question,  if not
>> could
>> > > you
>> > > >> respond with the proper place.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  I'm building out a social networking site centered around an "art"
>> > and
>> > > >> "arthistory" theme.  I would like to display a real time dynamic
>> > version
>> > > > of
>> > > >> the arthistory section of the wikipedia at my domain.
>> > > >
>> > > > Possible, but unlikely to happen, I'm afraid. There is little to be
>> > > > gained for us compared to you just sending people to the main site.
>> > > >
>> > > >>I would like for my
>> > > >> users to be able to edit this section at my domain.
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't think that's possible - at best all the edits would be from a
>> > > > single account, and we don't really like group accounts.
>> > > >
>> > > >>   My domain is
>> > > >> arthistory.com.   I am hoping to be able to provide a lot of
>> acedemic
>> > > and
>> > > >> specialty users to this section via my site.   I think we could both
>> > > > benefit
>> > > >> from this relationship.  My users have direct access to the
>> arthistory
>> > > >> section of wikipedia,  the wikipedia gets access to my users who are
>> > > > experts
>> > > >> in the field.
>> > > >
>> > > > We would very much like to encourage your users to edit Wikipedia,
>> but
>> > > > it really would be much easier for us if they just came to our site.
>> > > > Is there some reason why they particularly need to be doing it from
>> > > > your site?
>> > > >
>> > > >>    I understand you can get a feed of the wikipedia, and also
>> > > >> a database dump,  but I'm looking for a more real time and dynamic
>> > > >> connection  (without just putting the wikipedia in an iframe.)
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't know of anything like that being done before. If it's just
>> one
>> > > > section of the site you could probably mirror it pretty well by
>> > > > crawling it once a day or so - we don't like people crawling the
>> whole
>> > > > site, but one section shouldn't be a problem. If you want it
>> > > > completely up-to-date then you need to access the Wikipedia servers
>> > > > for each request, so you might as well just be on wikipedia.org
>> > > >
>> > > >>   I'd also
>> > > >> prefer if I could use openID or some way of repurposing my user's
>> > > >> registration to duel register with my site and with wikipedia, and
>> > > create
>> > > > a
>> > > >> login session for both simultaneously.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm sorry, we don't use openID on Wikipedia. It has been suggested,
>> > > > and it's possible we will in the future, but we don't right now.
>> > > >
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