[Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

[Mark Williamson]

So we don't believe in freedom of expression?

When somebody in a position of authority abuses that power and
discriminates, yes, their power should be removed and possibly they
should be blocked. But in the case of someone saying "I vote no
because this person is black", their vote should just be discounted.
They are entitled to their opinion.
skype: node.ue



2009/2/13 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> Hoi,
> The pope has it right when he does not accept at all the notion that the
> holocaust did not occur. People may have this opinion, but that does not
> mean that you have to accept that they may express their opinions
> everywhere.
>
> It is one thing to have unacceptable opinions, it is another to express
> them. Our projects are not a platform for agitation. I do welcome the
> blocking of obvious discriminatory practices in any of our projects.
> Thanks,
>       Gerard
>
> 2009/2/13 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
>
>> Blocked? I don't think we should ever block anybody for having an
>> opinion. If they push their POV in articles, fine; if they use racial
>> slurs repeatedly, sure, but even if someone is of the opinion that
>> white or black or Asian people, or women or men or anybody else, is
>> "scum", or any opinion like that, it shouldn't be a blockable offense
>> to just hold such an opinion.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> skype: node.ue
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/2/12 Yann Forget <yann at forget-me.net>:
>> > geni wrote:
>> >> 2009/2/9 Ting Chen <wing.philopp at gmx.de>:
>> >>> Surely is this a prejudice. Because there is no data that support such
>> >>> an assumption. In the eight years since the being of Wikipedia I don't
>> >>> know any such case happend on any Wikimedia project.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ting
>> >>
>> >> Prejudice? We know Iran's record on human rights and we know Iran's
>> >> record of responding to speech they do not like (calling for the
>> >> assassination the citizen of another country for example).
>> >>
>> >> The available evidence is that the Iranian government is a potential
>> >> threat and unlike western governments don't have to worry about
>> >> annoying laws and bad PR if they try anything.
>> >
>> > And how this relate to the status of stewarship?
>> > Would you accept that someone be rejected because he is Muslim or Jew?
>> > or because he is black or white? This is exactly the same to me, i.e.
>> > not acceptable.
>> > Such allegations should not be accept in any Wikimedia projects, and any
>> > user using these should be blocked.
>> >
>> > Yann
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