[Foundation-l] Request for Help: Spanish Betawiki Localization

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi.
Let me be specific. The Spanish localisation is not complete for the
localisation for the extensions that are used by the Wikimedia Foundation in
its projects. Consequently the users of Wikimedia Foundation projects suffer
from a sub optimal user experience. Crazy Lover is asking for people to help
with the localisation.

All this has nothing to do with all the other extensions that people and
organisations use outide of the WMF. When I state that what you do is not
helpful, it is exactly because your wrong headed appreciation of the
situation prevents people from collaborating with the localisation of
MediaWiki in the first place.

MediaWiki is a Wikimedia Foundation project. When you equate this as meaning
that MediaWiki is only for Wikimedia Foundation projects, spout this opinion
on the Wikipedia-l or other places where such narrow interpretation is
perhaps welcome. Or are you of the opinion that MediaWiki is not a full
project in its own right??
Thanks,
      GerardM

2009/2/12 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>

> Right, but this is Foundation-l, not MediaWiki-l. It's great that
> other people besides WMF use MediaWiki, but those aren't projects I
> particularly care about. I'm sure you won't appreciate that sentiment,
> but I know I'm not alone in that.
>
> skype: node.ue
>
>
>
> 2009/2/12 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> > Hoi,
> > Your answer is not helpful. FIrst of all, 100% of the core messages and
> 100%
> > of the messages of extensions used by the WMF are needed to give people
> who
> > do not speak English the service that they deserve. Spanish is doing
> better
> > at the moment then it has done before. Second of all it is rather
> parochial
> > to think that translatewiki,net (aka Betawiki) is only about the WMF
> > projects. It is great that MediaWiki is used elsewhere as well. Also many
> of
> > those "other" extensions are waiting to be assessed before they can be
> used
> > in WMF projects.
> >
> > If anything, it is great when active people support their language. When
> it
> > comes to providing service to our users 100% is good enough.
> > Thanks,
> >      GerardM
> >
> > 2009/2/12 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
> >
> >> Of course they will, but I feel that Gerard's message was a bit
> >> misleading. What percentage of the untranslated messages would
> >> actually help the usability of the Spanish Wikipedia, vs. non-WM
> >> projects?
> >>
> >> skype: node.ue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/2/11 Meno 25 <meno25wiki at gmail.com>:
> >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> >> >> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hoi,
> >> >> > I am afraid you do not appreciate the importance of localisation.
> Yes,
> >> >> there
> >> >> > are thousands of messages and it is possible to have them all
> >> translated.
> >> >> > Tagalog is proof that a full localisation is possible. It was done
> in
> >> a
> >> >> > relatively short period of time and I am convinced that the Tagalog
> >> >> > Wikipedia will benefit as a consequence.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > When "Crazy Lover" asks people to help with the localisation of
> >> Spanish,
> >> >> I
> >> >> > sympathise with his request. It is important that people help. I do
> >> not
> >> >> > understand the lack of awareness of why localisation is important.
> I
> >> >> truly
> >> >> > hope that many people will respond to CML's request because it will
> >> add
> >> >> an
> >> >> > important part to the Spanish language projects; the ability for
> >> people
> >> >> who
> >> >> > do not speak English to understand what is being asked of them in
> the
> >> >> User
> >> >> > Interface. The UI does not only consist of the core messages.
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >       Gerard
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The point is that many of the missing ones are not even used on
> >> >> wikimedia, so their priority sinks for the userbase.
> >> >> Urging a translation saying it will benefit wikipedia doesn't seem to
> >> >> follow logically (blahtex? are we replacing the latex engine? asksql?
> >> >> , etc.)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Mediawiki extensions are not written for Wikimedia only. Non-Wikimedia
> >> wikis
> >> > will benefit greatly from the localistaion of these extensions.
> >> >
> >> > --User:Meno25
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Currently
> >> >> 100% of core messages, 99.96 of mediawiki messages and   88.4% of
> >> >> anything wikimedia uses is already translated that's a fair share and
> >> >> a huge number of translations, and it's certainly much much more than
> >> >> 58%. The rest is extensions that will never be used on wikimedia or
> >> >> aren't yet available.
> >> >>
> >> >> So I understand importance of translation, but I don't see the how
> >> >> misrepresenting the numbers does any good.
> >> >>
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