[Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en] <warning: contains rant>

Fred Bauder fredbaud at fairpoint.net
Fri Feb 6 02:01:14 UTC 2009

I remember one time the arbitration committee sanctioned an editor who
referred to another as an imbecile and then tried to justify it on the
basis that the other editor was obviously stupid. We've come a long way
from there. Now people rise to power and maintain it on the basis of
their nastyness.


> When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly
> wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the
> Projects?
> And this trend is certainly not confined to Wikinews. Take a good,
> objective
> look at some of the dialogue occurring on the English Wikipedia. The
> atmosphere is becoming angrier and more hostile by the day.
> And, Erik, when I broached this subject in a private email conversation
> with
> you, you never even acknowledged receipt of that email. What would you
> have
> done if we were speaking to each other in person - stare at me in
> silence?
> That, alone, speaks volumes.
> Marc Riddell
> ----------
> From: bawolff <bawolff+wn at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: bawolff+wn at gmail.com, Wikinews mailing list
> <wikinews-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:34:14 -0700
> To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en] <warning:
> contains rant>
> [I happened to stumble upon what appears to be an aftermath of an edit
> war, and am quite disgusted by it. The following is basically a rant
> about it, as I'm not really sure how best to bring it up]
> I've recently noticed a marked increased in incivility between
> contributors on Wikinews. I find this really disturbing as it is often
> between admins who one would think know better. For example (And I'm
> not trying to pick on anyone, these are just some random ones i came
> across):
> *"But no, you've gotta be an asshole just like always"
> *"A small amount of brain activity would lead to the presumption that
> someone in my position knows what they're doing"
> *"I suggest you get the fuck off your high horse or get the fuck out of
> dodge"
> *"they are _MY_ comment sections and _I_ can write what ever the hell _I_
> want."
> Now, I know I am taking these out of context, but to be blunt I don't
> care if the context was responding to poop vandalism - It is
> incredibly inappropriate for admins to say these things under any
> circumstances. If these were new users making these comments, they
> would have been blocked in the neighborhood of 2 weeks to a year,
> maybe even indefinitely.
> How can we really expect to recruit and retain new contributors, when
> this is how the long time contributors are treated?
> -Bawolff
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