[Foundation-l] Follow up: Fan History joining the WMF family
liamwyatt at gmail.com
Wed Dec 2 06:03:30 UTC 2009
Great analysis SJ.
By the way - since we're talking about working with other organisations
outside of Wikimedia Projects, there is another Strategic Planning taskforce
that people might be interested in weighing in on.
"expanding content" one has already been mentioned in this thread but the
"partnerships and alliances" is trying to discuss how the Wikimedia
projects/Foundation/community should interact with other projects.
-Liam [[witty lama]]
Peace, love & metadata
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for this repost, Laura.
> I don't know where 18 months comes from, but it is much much too long :-)
> It might be more accurate to say that our project proposal process is
> broken, and we simply need to fix it. The Meta process for requesting a
> project is what I have in mind. As philippe pointed out, the Expanding
> Content task force is meant to address the meta-topic of this thread. The
> current (broken) process does in its way accomodate both new and adoptive
> projects -- projects are encouraged to link to demo sites or live
> communities in their proposal.
> Laura writes:
> > some changes need to be made:
> > 1) Clear procedure for what happens step by step in making such a
> > Post proposal. Contact people who support your position to vote in
> > 2) Clear timeline of what happens and when so that people can plan
> > 3) Expectations regarding exclusivity of proposal to the WMF during the
> > proposal process. Can people propose it elsewhere or seek acquisition by
> > others while there is an open proposal on Strategy Wiki?
> Yes. 1 and 2 need to be defined, along with any criteria that should be
> before starting on 1. It is polite for the Foundation to let people know
> whether it is worth their time to draft the proposal.
> As for 3, I don't think anyone would ask for proposals to be exclusive.
> Similarly, it is polite for the proposer to let the WM community know
> whether they are serious, or about to pursue some other option instead.
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Laura Hale <laura at fanhistory.com> wrote:
> > The process broke down in the following places:
> > ...
> > 4. No clear point where a proposal is considered dead, beyond silence.
> > 5. Misleading steps in the proposal process that create misconceptions.
> > 6. Connectivity problems between proposals on strategy and meta.
> > 7. Incorrect assumptions regarding Wikipedia needing to apply to all new
> > projects.
> Also good points. 7 is an ongoing discussion, but the other three points
> could be addressed with clear process.
> > I apologize for the earlier rambling and lack of clarity regarding what I
> > was attempting to accomplish with my post.
> I found the background quite informative...
> Dan Rosenthal writes:
> > I'd toss in there "lack of realistic expectations from your project",
> especially as far as being financially compensated is concerned.
> This point, the copyright question, and the narrowness of project scope
> like the hardest ones to reconcile. But that doesn't save us from
> addressing the good points made about fixing the proposal process.
> Wikimedians could respond quickly with "looks interesting, but a)
> individiual projects don't get dedicated paid staff [since 2002 :)], b)
> you'll have to pursue a license migration in one of the following ways...,
> and c) you'd have to frame this as part of a larger-scope 'cultural
> As a pillar of the free culture community, it might also be useful for us
> welcome such interest rather than frustrating it, offering an overview (as
> community service) of the options for specialized free knowledge projects
> that want sustainable hosting/supoport/tool development.
> Mike.lifeguard writes:
> > I mean to say that since 2006, and perhaps even further back, there have
> > been no proposals which should have been approved. Why do we need a
> > process to handle something which, in essence, *doesn't happen*?
> I'm not sure what you mean. There are lots of new interesting projects, in
> line with our mission, that require tools and distributed collaboration to
> replace proprietary but essential basic knowledge with free knowledge. A
> number of them have had reasonable proposals made on Meta. Among the
> projects that developed successfully independent of Wikimedia (most of
> are nevertheless less often visited than, say, Wikispecies):
> Wikikids, Rodovid + WeRelate, AboutUs, Open Library, Wikimapia +
> Wikimedia as a community could significantly shift the amount of attention
> devoted to building these and other free-content reference works. We need
> to decide whether we should. (by the way, this doesn't have to be limited
> to starting new projects or adopting existing ones; we could find other
> to drive traffic and interested editors to fellow-traveller projects that
> meet our criteria for furthering our mission. The part where closer
> collaboration becomes interesting is: It would be great to see wikikids
> projects in fr, de, es and nl (three independent projects!) develop
> interwiki links. We could help ensure WeRelate's data is backed up and
> preserved for generations. Wikimapia might be even more beautiful without
> its massive ads.)
> There's nothing wrong with us deciding that any particular Project isn't
> within Wikimedia's scope, but each of those decisions deserves due
> consideration. (note that we could decide that a Project like an atlas is
> very much within our scope, but a specific proposed implementation isn't
> suitable. Many current proposals got hung up on that distinction.)
> > I'd be far more interested in discussing ways we can critically evaluate
> > which of our current projects should remain in the Wikimedia movement,
> > and which should be asked to move outside that movement to continue
> > their development.
> Once we have a way to assess projects for their priority is in the grand
> scheme of empowering people to develop and share free educational
> we can assess current Projects and implementations as well. Even our
> lowest-traffic projects such as wikiversity and wikisource tend to be among
> the most popular sites in their domain.
>  the german grundschul wiki is the smallest, but has the best main page
> welcome that others could learn from:
> * Are you an expert in gerbils?
> * Do you know all about airplanes?
> * Do you know why penguins and polar bears never meet?
> Then you will fit right in! Join now!
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