[Foundation-l] Problems with the new license TOS

Anthony wikimail at inbox.org
Thu Apr 16 22:28:26 UTC 2009

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro at gmail.com
> wrote:

> > Anthony wrote:
> >> What is it specifically that you want to know?  The discussions on this
> >> mailing list were largely for the benefit of those involved in the
> >> discussion, not for others to get a summary afterward.  Furthermore,
> they
> >> were censored to the point where they weren't able to get to the heart
> of
> >> the matter, which is a fundamental difference on the moral issues
> >> surrounding copyright law, attribution, integrity rights, etc.
> >>
> I am somewhat curious as to the allegation of censorship on this
> list. Do forward old e-mails by you that were blocked, to me personally,
> if you retain any.

I was not put on moderation, I was warned.  Call it censorship via chilling
effects, if you'd like.  See below:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re-licensing
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>

Please Stop It.

This thread used to be on the "Re-licensing" issue, which is an issue
many people are interested it. Thus, you can't even bring up the usual
"Well, it's off-topic, but everyone can filter it out of their inbox
by a subject-filter" counter-argument, because many people actually
*do* care about the Re-licensing and do not intend at all to filter it
out of their inbox. What has happened, though, is that the thread has
first been hijacked by a discussion about "moral rights" and other
legal and philosophical concepts (which I myself found at least
interesting, if completely off-topic) and now, it has gone down to a
rather pathetic "I have studied philosophy, you have no clue." "I
don't need to have studied philosophy to have a clue." "I have studied
Mathematics and you are a bad philosopher" type of chat, which is an
absolute no-go.

Really, take it offlist. I hope I don't need to enforce this plea
because I'm not actually in the mood to do so.


Michael Bimmler
mbimmler at gmail.com

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