[Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 17
Ronald Studebaker
ronald57_2005 at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 10 03:48:09 UTC 2009
April 10, 2009 URGENT MESSAGE
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Dear Sirs:
This is my LAST AND FINAL REQUEST TO YOU, " REMOVE MY EMAIL NAME FROM your fucking mailing list !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
You are pissing off the wrong American !!!!!!!!!!
Sgned Ron Studebaker
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for
Internet (RYU Cheol)
2. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for
Internet (Techman224)
3. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for
Internet (RYU Cheol)
4. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for
Internet (Mark Williamson)
5. Re: South Korean Government's regulations on real name for
Internet (RYU Cheol)
6. Re: foundation-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14 (Ronald Studebaker)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:37:49 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea.
The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of
United Kingdom?
But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea
and some of ko.wp editors are preparing to establish South Korea
chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to
abide by the regulations of Korean government.
I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>:
> Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia
> Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had
> business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:45:23 -0500
From: Techman224 <techman224 at yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and
there's enough people coming from there, we either have to do it, or
risk being blocked.
Techman224
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:54:24 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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We have some servers in Seoul, Korea, which are donated by Yahoo,
right? (I'm not sure, let me know) Then it's a web site in South
Korea.
--Cheol
2009/4/10 Techman224 <techman224 at yahoo.ca>:
> If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and
> there's enough people coming from there, we either have to do it, or
> risk being blocked.
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:56:09 -0700
From: Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom.
There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own
different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what
content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about
Kim Jong-il are probably illegal, but we don't have to follow their
law because our website is based in... Florida.
Mark
2009/4/9 RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com>:
> I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea.
> The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of
> United Kingdom?
>
> But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea
> and some of ko.wp editors ?are preparing to establish South Korea
> chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to
> abide by the regulations of Korean government.
>
> ?I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
>
> -Cheol
>
> 2009/4/9 Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>:
>> Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia
>> Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had
>> business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
>>
>> Nathan
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:24:24 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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Of course, we can decide to follow or not, and I hope we decide not to.
I want you to be informed that we have the risk to be blocked from
South Korea and we could loose editors from South Korea.
I suggest we make a voice against South Korean government, 'cause I
don't want to say good bye to you all.
--Cheol
2009/4/10 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>:
> No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom.
>
> There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own
> different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what
> content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about
> Kim Jong-il are probably illegal, but we don't have to follow their
> law because our website is based in... Florida.
>
> Mark
>
> 2009/4/9 RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com>:
>> I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea.
>> The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of
>> United Kingdom?
>>
>> But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea
>> and some of ko.wp editors ?are preparing to establish South Korea
>> chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to
>> abide by the regulations of Korean government.
>>
>> ?I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
>>
>> -Cheol
>>
>> 2009/4/9 Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>:
>>> Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia
>>> Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had
>>> business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
>>>
>>> Nathan
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ronald Studebaker <ronald57_2005 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14
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March 10, 2009????? *EMERGENCY MESSAGE*
9:30 AM
Dear Foundation Program:
As of this date, March 10, 2009 PLEASE DO NOT send to my email address any more of your messages.
Sincerely
Ron Studebaker
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? ? ? promised ! (Marcus Buck)
? 3. Wikimania 2009 Scholarships (Mark (Markie))
? 4. South Korean Government's regulations on real name??? for
? ? ? Internet (RYU Cheol)
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? ? ? Internet (RYU Cheol)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:10:37 -0700
From: Brion Vibber <brion at wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] mo.wikipedia is not yet renamed to
??? mo-cyrill as it was promised !
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On 4/6/09 3:28 PM, Casey Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Cetateanu Moldovanu
> <cetateanumd at gmail.com>? wrote:
>> * you have promised that subdomain name mo will become mo-cyrl, it's april
>> now and mo is still not yet renamed.*
>
> None of the wikis have been moved yet, it's not that this situation is
> specific to mowiki.
No idea why this was sent to foundation-l since I already answered
directly...
Wikis have not been renamed yet since we have no infrastructure for
doing it. The requests are in the system and will be reached when we
have an opportunity to set up a renaming infrastructure -- none of the
renames are high priority, and there are plenty of things most members
of this list would rather see us do first. :)
-- brion
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:13:52 +0200
From: Marcus Buck <me at marcusbuck.org>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] mo.wikipedia is not yet renamed to
??? mo-cyrill as it was promised !
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Brion Vibber hett schreven:
> and there are plenty of things most members
> of this list would rather see us do first. :)
>?
Great to hear you are working on world peace...
As the developments on 'things most members of this list would like to
see' are rather slow, I'd say, you should urgently hire some more
people, who help you do the tasks that need to be done, or alternatively
make access to administrative tools easier, so that voluntary helpers
can help you do the tasks that need to be done.
Marcus Buck
User:Slomox
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:53:53 +0100
From: "Mark (Markie)" <newsmarkie at googlemail.com>
Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2009 Scholarships
To: wikimania-l at lists.wikimedia.org, foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org,
??? wikitech-l at lists.wikimedia.org, mediawiki-l at lists.wikimedia.org,
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Wikimania 2009 [1], this year's global event devoted to Wikimedia [2]
projects around the globe, is now accepting *applications for
scholarships*to the conference. This year's conference will be handled
from August 26-28
in Buenos Aires [3], Argentina [4]. The scholarship can be used to help
offset the costs of travel and registration. For more information, check the
official information page [5]. Please remember that the Call for
Participation [6] is still open, please submit your papers! Without
submissions, Wikimania would not be nearly as fun!
[1] http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal
[2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina
[5] http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships
[6] http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Participation
Regards
Mark
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:53:01 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com>
Subject: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real
??? name??? for Internet
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According to this post,
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin.html
,
"Google, the world?s largest Internet company, has finally submitted
to South Korea?s unprecedented Internet regulations, including
agreeing to implement a ?real name? system in which any South Korean
can post their contents only after they confirm their resident
registration number."
Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to
implement real name system according to the regulation.
We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have
more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from
South Korea.
It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
-Cheol
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:35:12 +0200
From: teun spaans <teun.spaans at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
??? real??? name for Internet
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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"oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea?s Act on the
Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User
Protection will go into effect".
That date smells ;-)
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com> wrote:
> According to this post,
>
> http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin.html
> ,
>
> "Google, the world?s largest Internet company, has finally submitted
> to South Korea?s unprecedented Internet regulations, including
> agreeing to implement a ?real name? system in which any South Korean
> can post their contents only after they confirm their resident
> registration number."
>
> Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
>
> Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to
> implement real name system according to the regulation.
> We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have
> more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from
> South Korea.
>
> It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
>
> -Cheol
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:42:06 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
??? real??? name for Internet
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
2009/4/9 teun spaans <teun.spaans at gmail.com>:
> "oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea?s Act on the
> Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User
> Protection will go into effect".
> That date smells ;-)
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> According to this post,
>>
>> http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin.html
>> ,
>>
>> "Google, the world?s largest Internet company, has finally submitted
>> to South Korea?s unprecedented Internet regulations, including
>> agreeing to implement a ?real name? system in which any South Korean
>> can post their contents only after they confirm their resident
>> registration number."
>>
>> Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
>>
>> Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to
>> implement real name system according to the regulation.
>> We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have
>> more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from
>> South Korea.
>>
>> It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
>>
>> -Cheol
>>
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:04:57 -0700
From: Michael Snow <wikipedia at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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RYU Cheol wrote:
> Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
>
> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
>?
However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report,
Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I
don't know their reasons or what legal analysis was involved, and I
hesitate to base my understanding of this law on translated news
reports. But I can't imagine why we would try to block South Koreans
from contributing, whether or not they comply with the requirements
described.
--Michael Snow
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:19:41 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
??? real??? name for Internet
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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Until today they were considering to implement, but finally they
decided to abandon the business in South Korea. Nobody who set his
profile to South Korea cannot upload video and cannot comments on
Youtube. Now you got it?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Michael Snow <wikipedia at verizon.net>:
> RYU Cheol wrote:
>> Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
>>
>> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
>>
> However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report,
> Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I
> don't know their reasons or what legal analysis was involved, and I
> hesitate to base my understanding of this law on translated news
> reports. But I can't imagine why we would try to block South Koreans
> from contributing, whether or not they comply with the requirements
> described.
>
> --Michael Snow
>
>
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