[Foundation-l] We have the problem

[Marc Riddell]

> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Nathan
>> <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You have to consider, Milos, that these very real
>> problems you identify may
>>> not be amenable to a global solution.
>> 
>> There is one important issue which I missed to emphasize. I
>> haven't
>> listed the problems which we should solve after which we
>> would be
>> fine. I've listed the problems which are produced by
>> the systematic
>> problem, which may be worded as 'we don't care a
>> lot'. The part of
>> that systematic problem from the past -- we didn't care
>> a lot --
>> brought us to the situation where we are not able to list
>> our
>> functional problems.
>> 
>> So, I don't think that we have to start to work on
>> particular problems
>> (if they are not urgent). We have to start to work on the
>> systematic
>> problem.

on 10/27/08 11:05 PM, Birgitte SB at birgitte_sb at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> I must disagree that the systematic problem is that we don't care enough.  I
> would say it is that we cannot communicate effectively.  The barriers to
> communication throughout Wikimedia are real and not just due to some lack of
> caring.   
> 
Birgitte,

Several attempts have been made to help improve communication skills in the
Project; including something I tried to get going called "Discussion Camp"
where individuals could practice and sharpen their communication skills. It
was met with apathy.

The culture of the Wikipedia Community was set from the very beginning; and
is, to this day, perpetuated by the disciples. That is what needs to change.

Marc Riddell