[Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

[Porantim]

Ziko,

Maybe the problem is my very poor english and I can't explain what I really
think.

There is *no* "Wikimedia organisation" in Brazil. There is no "allegation"
about nothing. There is facts about *proposed* chapter.

I suggest you to read the messas in beggining of this thread.

Exept Jimb, nobody wrote about "feelings".

The problem don't is people with no edits participate of the chapter, the
problem is deny editors to participate.

Well, that's it.

Saludos

-- Porantim




2008/11/26 Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk em googlemail.com>

> This subject line is very strange to me: "A chapter without Wikimedians". A
> member of a Wikimedia organisation is a Wikimedian by definition, he is
> someone who supports with his fee and his invested sparetime the Wikimedia
> goals.
>
> If someone calls a fellow member "a non Wikimedian", this is at least rude.
> If someone claims that a fellow member has other goals than Wikimedia and
> wants to take abuse of the organisation, that is a very serious allegation.
> An allegation that is better based on evidence and not on stomach feelings.
>
> As others have already said, a good Wikimedian is not necessarily an
> extensive editor. I know of a senior member of Wikimedia Deutschland who is
> very, very active for our goals, but he told me that he was not allowed to
> vote for the WMF board this year, because he did not make enough edits the
> months before.
>
> Ziko
>
> 2008/11/26 Jimmy Wales <jwales em wikia-inc.com>
>
> > Porantim wrote:
> > > When Jimmy puts his personal feelings as the unique argument, no more
> > have
> > > to say. When he puts his friendship against the interests of the
> > community,
> > > no more remain to do.
> > >
> > > You know, Jimmy is a kind of symbol to some us, maybe all of us. Then,
> > when
> > > he puts this conversation in that maniqueist form, I don't know what
> more
> > > remain.
> > >
> > > Jimmy has feelings about Thomas. That's OK to me, but there is no
> > argument
> > > against that, when that is de unique argument.
> >
> > Porantim, I would like to be your friend as well.  Please don't take
> > anything that I have said as being a matter of taking sides against you
> > or for Thomas *and* especially not supposing that I have any opinion on
> > the proposed bylaw changes (I don't even know what they are).
> >
> > All that I have said is that I met Thomas, and based on what I know of
> > him, he will be a peace seeker and he has no interest in being any kind
> > of boss or tyrant of the chapter process.  Nor is he an aggressive
> > person.  I found the suggestions (I don't know who made them first,
> > perhaps not you) that the chapter might be at risk of being used for
> > purposes of money laundering to be a bit over top, and I felt it
> > important to mention what little I do know.
> >
> > Again, I will meet with Thomas, and I will ask him what is going on, and
> > I will recommend to him that everyone should make peace.
> >
> > It is not helpful to suppose that I am putting my "friendship against
> > the interests of the community".
> >
> > --Jimbo
> >
> >
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