[Foundation-l] "Expertise" board seats: the NomCom invites your feedback

[Dan Rosenthal]

I'm only responding to the following two segments because these appear  
to be the only parts where we actually disagree.

On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:33 AM, Michael Bimmler wrote:

>>
>> Writing two sentences is not a solution to a lack of a "chapter
>> approval process" document.
>
>
> Sorry, here we seem to differ a bit: If I once see a process in the
> Wikimedia world which takes two sentences to describe, then I'm happy.
> The process is as simple as I wrote: Get a group together, write
> bylaws, translate, send in via email.  If I use three paragraphs to
> describe this, surely the only thing that can happen is that the
> process becomes more complicated and more formal, and I oppose that.
>

I'm not talking about length for length's sake. Simply saying "Write  
bylaws, send them in english, done" does not cut it as a chapter  
approval process because it does not at all discuss what happens after  
that point, how ChapCom decides things, by what standard they use to  
determine if a chapter should be created and what litmus tests they  
use to determine the quantitative values of that, how the WMF actually  
approves a chapter, and then what happens next after that. That's all  
information that is part of the chapter approval process, and writing  
two lines simply fails to address any of that.


>> That can only come from ChapCom or the
>> foundation themselves as they are the ones who approve things. Two
>> years of no public guidelines is unacceptable.
>>
>
> Yes, zero is not good. But you really failed to convince me why "two
> sentences" are not a solution - honestly, I'd have no idea how to fill
> an entire "chapter approval process" document, we're not using
> scheduling hearings, pre-trial motions, subpoenas  and what not here,
> sorry. There is just not that much to write.

See above. I'm referring to the process, not the procedure. I'm not  
saying it needs to say "Connect line 4a to form 12b" but it does need  
to say the things I mentioned in the paragraph above.

-Dan