[Foundation-l] En.wikipedia's arbcom

Fri May 30 00:15:00 UTC 2008

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:37 PM, White Cat
<wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't forum shop. 100% of the time you replied to something I post you
> accused me of things.
>
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Chad <innocentkiller at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM, White Cat
>> <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Politely asking people to stop rather than ordering them around can do
>> > wonders. You are right though. With this much bad faith a productive
>> result
>> > is not a possibility.
>> >
>> >   - White Cat
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Jon <scream at datascreamer.com> wrote:
>> >
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>> >> Ben McIlwain wrote:
>> >> > White Cat wrote:
>> >> >> Mistreating me is a popular trend I see. Shouldn't you be apologizing
>> to
>> >> me
>> >> >> (for delaying this for this long) instead of patronizing me?
>> >> >
>> >> > Playing the victim complex isn't helping you win anyone over to your
>> >> > point of view.  When people start acting like they're the victim ...
>> >> > well, that's what they become.
>> >> >
>> >>
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>> >> This thread needs to end.  Does the software permit per thread
>> moderation?
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Jon
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>> Could you *please* stop forum-shopping then? This isn't the first time
>> you're told something and you come to Foundation-l looking for a different
>> answer.
>>
>> -Chad
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM, White Cat
<wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Like I implied on my earlier post. Regulating it would be much easier and
> time consuming from a central location: Meta.
>
>   - White Cat
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:22 PM, mike.lifeguard <mike.lifeguard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wikibooks has the same problem - interwiki linking is rather more
>> complicated for the non-Wikipedia project. I think it would be acceptable
>> to
>> give a global bot flag BUT bots are only to work where approved (ie not on
>> Wikibooks unless you ask first; not on Wikisource if you ask first). This
>> allows stewards to not waste time flagging a bot on all Wikipedias (use the
>> global flag) but the bot should then only work on Wikipedias (unless it is
>> allowed to work on the other families).
>> However, thoughts on this may differ. I know many don't agree that
>> people/bots are able to /not/ use rights they have, but that's just not
>> true. Just because a bot is globally flagged as such doesn't mean it must
>> work on all wikis - it is quite easy to restrict it to only one family.
>>
>> Mike.lifeguard
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birgitte SB [mailto:birgitte_sb at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: May 29, 2008 3:23 PM
>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis
>> > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <
>> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> > Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:51 PM
>> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
>> > <putevod at mccme.ru> wrote:
>> > > We do have a bot policy:
>> > >
>> > > [[:meta:Bot policy]]
>> > >
>> > > It is implemented in all small wikipedias I am active.
>> > Bot owners (in
>> > > theory) leave a request at a special bot page, if
>> > there are no objections
>> > > within a reasonable time (a week or so), the steward
>> > grants the bot
>> > > status. Once I had to report on meta and actually ask
>> > stewards to grant
>> > > the bot flag for some of the old requests on os.wp.
>> > >
>> > > You may be sure the small wikis suffer much more when
>> > a bot can not get
>> > > the status since the list of recent changes becomes
>> > unusable - this is for
>> > > instance what is right now happening with the newly
>> > created wikis.
>> >
>> > This is one of the most problematic issues: Asking for bot
>> > flag on
>> > ~250 projects is really painful. There should be one place
>> > for asking
>> > the bot flag for interwiki bots.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Please no global flag for interwiki bots.  An all Wikipedia flag would be
>> fine but not a global one.  Interwiki's to not work in a strait forward
>> fashion on Wikisource and bots using the code that works on Wikipedias
>> create a big mess on Wikisource.  Interwikis bots will probably only be
>> able
>> to be work properly off of a "white-list" on Wikisources.  These white-list
>> have not yet been made so for right now interwikis need to be done by hand.
>> Please do not authorize any bots to do this task on Wikisources.
>>
>>
>> Birgitte SB
>>
>> Birgitte SB
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It's been pointed out that this was already discussed elsewhere. I no
longer subscribe to Wikien-l, so I cannot personally say what the resolution
to such discussion was.

"Sorry, this was held in moderation and is now out of context," would've been
an appropriate first response. The fact that you're continuing to debate it when
others pointed out it's been debated elsewhere comes across as trying to get
a different answer from before.

-Chad

PS: Please disregard my posting this to a different thread, that was entirely
unintentional.