[Foundation-l] SUL pilot and renaming issues

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
When it comes to establishing consensus or policy, there is the Foundation
mailing list, the Meta, MediaWiki and Wikimediafoundation wikis and then
there are the mailing lists and wikis not open to the general public ......
Any of these can claim to reach or make consensus, in the end none of them
really do.

This is one of those issues that would be a good subject for a council to
deal with... It is just one of the issues that prove the need for such a
body.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Robert Rohde <rarohde at gmail.com> wrote:

> The discussion you think is finished resulted in a policy on Meta that
> defers to local communities and at least one community that adopted a
> standard of zero edits.
>
> I would say that is prima facie evidence that the discussion was not
> finished the way you think.
>
> -Robert Rohde
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > This discussion was finished a long time ago. We are passed the point
> where
> > objections on principle are even reasonable.
> >
> > As I indicated earlier, a single project cannot and should not stand in
> the
> > way of the implementation of global policies. This was discussed ad
> > nauseam.
> > Even when a local policy is "reasonable", it does not make it reasonable
> in
> > the larger scale of things. There is no reason why the attribution is to
> be
> > linked by the self chosen user name, the only thing relevant is that it
> is
> > correctly attributed to the user involved. This argument is problematic
> > anywaw as people can request a name change and in that case attribution
> > changes as well.
> >
> > Indeed it can be frustrating for some and it will be frustrating to some.
> > This was understood from the start.
> > Thanks,
> >     GerardM
> >
> > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Robert Rohde <rarohde at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > > gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > The number of edits of an account has been a consideration in that
> the
> > > one
> > > > with the biggest numbers can have the price. With 6000 edits a user
> can
> > > be
> > > > found with less edits then a user from another project. By giving
> > > > precedence
> > > > to admins of projects a new ballgame may exist. There are many people
> > in
> > > > this group who are active in MANY wikis and when you combine their
> > number
> > > > of
> > > > edits, you may find really high numbers.
> > > >
> > > > I do not think that usurpation policies should be determined by
> > > individual
> > > > projects. There are too many of them, some 700, and consequently
> things
> > > > would break down.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >     GerardM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The principle behind enwiki's policy is still reasonable though.
> > >
> > > Attribution is a fundemental legal expectation under the GFDL.  We
> > > attribute
> > > edits under our self-chosen psuedonyms.  I'm not convinced that
> > > involuntarily renaming accounts that have an established edit history
> is
> > > either ethical or legal.
> > >
> > > I know the SUL proposal has been to give the account to the most
> > > established
> > > user, but it's not clear to me that doing so is appropriate.  An
> > > unfortunate
> > > consequence of that is that some popular names might never be unified,
> > but
> > > personally, I'm inclined to think that the only way to be fair to some
> > > existing users may well be to frustrate others.
> > >
> > > -Robert Rohde
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