[Foundation-l] Community Assembly

[Geoffrey Plourde]

I was operating under the assumption that the PVC had not decided to continue. Is it?


----- Original Message ----
From: Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:35:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Community Assembly

Geoffrey, a meaningful conversation requires substantive and thought out
responses. Can you assimilate what people have written to you, and post more
substantial comments in a single post rather than three, four or five in a
row?

For what its worth - I think the next step here would be for interested
members of the community to pursue the provisional council plan as indicated
in either my resolution or effe's (resolutions proposed for consideration by
the Board, mine was only posted to this list). Board approval is not
required to set up something as designed, all that was looked for was their
imprimatur - since they have declined to give it, for good reason, nothing
prevents people from continuing on as otherwise planned. Your proposal, its
merits and drawbacks aside, takes the issue back to the drawing board.

Nathan

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Would a separation of powers restriction satisfy your concerns?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:16:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Community Assembly
>
> Hoi,
> Given that there are some 700 communities to start with, I do not think
> that
> there is much awareness of the community that is the whole of all our
> communities. When you add to this the issue with communication, these 700
> projects represent over 250 languages, I think I am polite when I suggest
> that there is a lot of  communal intelligence to be developped.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Just because a body is large does not mean that decisions will be bad.
> Are
> > you saying that the community is too stupid to govern itself?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Jesse Plamondon-Willard <pathoschild at gmail.com>
> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:07:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Community Assembly
> >
> > Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > If it would make you happier, the consensus provision can be changed
> > to a 60% majority.
> >
> > We can rarely achieve a 60% majority consensus for most issues on this
> > list, and its membership is smaller than that of an all-inclusive
> > assembly. Depending on voting also makes numerical superiority more
> > important than meaningful debate, so that a cultural or
> > special-interest minority (likely including en-Wikipedia) would
> > dominate the community through the assembly using numerical
> > superiority. Reaching many bad decisions due to poor representation is
> > worse than reaching few good decisions.
> >
> > --
> > Yours cordially,
> > Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild)
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