[Foundation-l] Volunteer Council - A shot for a resolution

[Geoffrey Plourde]

Fine, debate is good :). Now can this thing's purpose and powers be outlined clearly?



----- Original Message ----
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 3:07:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteer Council - A shot for a resolution

Hoi,
1 When the size is too big, there will not be a functioning body. When you
think that a community is well represented by having loads of random popular
persons, then I fail to see how this body can be of any practical use
2 The board is not accountable. The board consists largely of people that
are chosen to represent the people that voted. Given that the seats become
available in a staggered way you can not realistically state that they are
accountable.
3 When you read the initial proposal, you will find that we are talking
about the method at this stage. Not the people who may become part of such a
body

1 A size of 200/400 gives a group that is too unwieldy. It will only be a
talkshop.
2 Consider that we have over 200 Wikipedias over 100 Wiktionaries... not
realistic when you have only 200/400 people in this group
3 Call it whatever ... Wikimedia talking shop perhaps ?
4 Given that we are all volunteers, it will only be people that are
interested.. so why will these be the right people for the job ?
5 Yeah right ... but in the mean time you have burdened this group with a
number of natterers that makes it doomed to fail.

PS you asked for people's thoughts ...

Thanks,
    GerardM

On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> I was being serious. I mean no disrespect to the owner, but as David says
> below, I see no valid reason for this Council to exist. My issues are;
>
> 1) The size of the body is too small to adequately represent the
> Community.
> 2) The Board is already accountable to the community, through the annual
> election.
> 3) The initial membership is not being selected transparently.
>
> Here is how it can be reformed;
>
> 1) Increase the size to 200-400 members.
> 2) Give each project a specific number of members, based on size.
> 3) Rename it the Community Assembly
> 4) Give the initial slots to anyone who is interested.
> 5) Clearly state a purpose.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Geoffrey Plourde
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:47:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteer Council - A shot for a resolution
>
> On 15/03/2008, Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
> > Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
>
> >  > I have a better question. Why isn't this just another worthless body
> to give a fancy title to certain individuals? In one sentence.
> >  >
>
> > Try asking a serious question instead of a sarcastic one that implies
> >  issues that are not a part of the resolution.  If you really think the
> >  resolution was in such bad faith, just say it.
>
>
> I think it sounds like it's in bad judgement, not bad faith.
>
> This body needs a clear reason that it exists, rather than a
> collection of half-reasons.
>
>
> - d.
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