[Foundation-l] On mailinglists (was:[Fwd: About Alexandria] -> to Usenet ?)

Sun Mar 9 20:22:57 UTC 2008

It's really time to change the name of this thread...

Michael

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> In fact, Outlook does support threaded view of e-mails. It's an
>  options thing I believe.
>
>  http://www.petroleumjelliffe.com/2006/02/make-outlook-work-like-gmail/
>
>  Re: RFC-compliance and threaded e-mail AND free software, try Thunderbird.
>
>  Thunderbird complies with more email-related RFCs than Outlook,
>  especially for threaded email conversations and is more mailing-list
>  friendly than Outlook. Plus it allows for post-dissection more easily
>  than Outlook.
>
>  British version: http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/thunderbird/
>  French version: http://www.mozilla-europe.org/fr/products/thunderbird/
>  American version: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/
>  German version: http://www.mozilla-europe.org/de/products/thunderbird/
>  Danish version: http://www.mozilla-europe.org/da/products/thunderbird/
>  etc.
>
>  Mark
>
>  On 09/03/2008, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
>  > I have approximately 4Gb of email on my hard disk which I back up to an
>  >  external drive daily. I'd welcome suggestions on Free software that could
>  >  better manage that than Outlook and can import my archives, but I simply
>  >  won't entertain a webmail solution. I've tried Hotmail, I've tried Gmail, I
>  >  end up getting sick of flashy bits and adverts and just want a plain
>  >  no-frills version of the document I'm interested in - the humble email. I
>  >  want it on *my* computer, and not in someone's database for analysis and god
>  >  only know what else.
>  >
>  >  Being so old-fashioned, crotchety, and pro-RFC based solutions, I rather
>  >  like the idea of setting up nntp://wikimedia.org and running most of the
>  >  lists off a news server. I believe the options offered with many of the
>  >  newsgroup software packages would offer individuals far more flexibility in
>  >  how they decide what to read (eg killfiling threads and/or posters) and less
>  >  intervention would be required. I'd have options such as scoring posts from
>  >  board members highly thus getting their posts highlighted; I'd be able to
>  >  killfile threads I thought were dead and totally off track, and for those
>  >  without news software a NNTP<->Email gateway is relatively trivial to set
>  >  up. A private wmf. hierarchy seems like a solution that would suit a lot of
>  >  people and with a NNTP<->mail gateway those who couldn't take advantage of
>  >  the changeover would notice little difference.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  Brian McNeil
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
>  >
>  > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mark
>  >  Williamson
>  >  Sent: 09 March 2008 19:17
>  >  To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>  >  Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: About Alexandria] -> to Usenet ?
>  >
>  >  I got google mail specifically to read Wikimedia-related lists
>  >  originally because even 2 years ago, they were already flooding my
>  >  Hotmail inbox.
>  >
>  >  Hotmail is a service I had used for at least 7 years.
>  >
>  >  Mark
>  >
>  >  On 09/03/2008, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
>  >  > This is an insult to those of us who use software such as Outlook to
>  >  follow
>  >  >  the list, it simply doesn't have threading. I'm not about to change my
>  >  email
>  >  >  software which I have over 15 years worth of email in to accommodate
>  >  people
>  >  >  who can't think twice before clicking "Send". As I ended up shouting
>  >  about
>  >  >  over 170 messages *in a 12 hour period* you obviously have some warped
>  >  idea
>  >  >  of what is a reasonable volume to have to deal with.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Oh, and I'm painfully aware that at one or two points I ended up on the
>  >  top
>  >  >  posters list. That was before incidents like hitting a rate of over 300
>  >  >  emails per day. Following this list isn't meant to be a full-time
>  >  >  occupation.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Brian McNeil
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  >  From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
>  >  >  [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
>  >  Dalton
>  >  >  Sent: 09 March 2008 15:02
>  >  >  To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>  >  >  Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: About Alexandria] -> to Usenet ?
>  >  >
>  >  >  > This lack of understanding is something you share with other high
>  >  >  >  volume posters.  When important people start to leave the list,
>  >  >  >  you don't see this as a loss.  The only important thing is that
>  >  >  >  you can post, post, post.  Just as the only important thing about
>  >  >  >  Wikimania is whether you can go.  It's all about you, you, you.
>  >  >
>  >  >  As a high volume poster, I certainly see people leaving the list as a
>  >  >  problem. I just don't see myself as being responsible for it. This
>  >  >  list is not that high volume, as long as you use a decent mail client
>  >  >  it's very easy to read the threads you're interested in and ignore the
>  >  >  rest (it would be easier if everyone used a decent mail client and
>  >  >  didn't constantly break threads, of course...).
>
> >  >
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