[Foundation-l] Baidupedia copyvio collections

[Waerth]

IMHO, if they do not give proper attribution and do not respond (which 
doesn't surprise me as I said earlier) and we do not have the resources 
to do a lawsuit. There is only one way out. Make a stink about it and 
make them loose face. In my experience here in Thailand this is a last 
resort option here in this part of Asia. But most people here in this 
region are more terrified to loose their face than anything else. If 
they feel that they will loose face over an issue they will most 
probably come and talk to get things straightened out. If not and we 
make them loose face though, they will surely never talk to us again!

Like I said it would be a last resort and I have used this option myself 
a couple of times with amazing results.

Waerth


> Dan Rosenthal wrote:
>   
>>> I have long felt that the difficulties when our collective copyrights
>>> are breached would be greater than any problem we would face in trying
>>> to abide by the rights of others.  We have any number of layers to
>>> protect us from legal liabilities from copyvios, but there is very
>>> little effort to deal with being on the other side of the dispute.  This
>>> is definitely a point that I would raise before the Board if elected.
>>>     
>>>       
>> Financially, I have been led to believe the WMF does not really have the
>>   
>> resources available to be spending on prosecuting intellectual property
>> violations other than what we can do by hoping people abide by C+D letters.
>> Which is a shame too, because I would very much like to see the foundation
>> more litigious in its defense of our licenses by pursuing sites that use our
>> contributors works without attribution, (as well as other violations of our
>> IPs).
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> Sometimes, a lack of finances can be an easy excuse.  Like anything else 
> if it's otherwise a good idea, it needs to be given room in the budget.  
> Michael Bimmler's allusion to moral rights made me wonder whether a case 
> could be brought in another country that has strong moral rights 
> legislation.  We wouldn't be looking for money, though it would be nice 
> to recover the costs of the suit.  We want proper attribution.
>
> The right of attribution is essential to maintaining the viral character 
> of copyleft.  Copyrights need to be vigorously defended, or they risk 
> being treated as abandoned. If we tacitly consent to Baidu's improper 
> use of our material it puts into doubt the use of the same material 
> further downstream.  There would be a presumption that they have a 
> copyright on what they publish, and that would put a chill on anyone 
> wanting to use their material.  Commercial publishers may very well ask 
> and easily receive permission to use "their" material.  Acknowledging in 
> public that it is used with Baidu's permission would then strengthen the 
> fiction that there is a real copyright.
>
> Ec
>
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