[Foundation-l] Stalking Article

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
This is the type of behaviour that is happening.. People have gone to the
police in the past, people went to jail as a result. These things do happen
and they have driven away some of our finest. It is not that difficult to
learn about these things. It is a clear and present danger,
Thanks.
      GerardM

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:

> "We" are talking about people who threaten to maim, kill, and rape?
> Perhaps YOU are, but some of the people on this thread have brought up
> examples that seem relatively tame in comparison to what you're
> suggesting.
>
> Stalking on-wiki is one thing; threats to take it off-wiki and harass
> somebody in real life are, in my mind, when the line is crossed.
> Somebody's off-wiki life should never be brought up beyond anything
> they have personally revealed on-wiki. For example, I have no reason
> to be mad if somebody posts all over Wikipedia my last name, because I
> put it on Wikipedia in the first place, but if somebody posts my home
> address or telephone number, that is unacceptable because that is
> private information I have never disclosed on-wiki.
>
> Threats of real physical harm are one thing; following somebody around
> the Wiki and shouting insults at them, while also unacceptable, is on
> a very different level.
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/06/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ray,
> > We are talking about people who on or off list threaten others to kill,
> maim
> > and rape. We are talking about people associated with aggressive pov
> pushing
> > and using any means whatsoever to establish their pov. There have been
> > several examples given of this behaviour by credible people. Suggesting
> as
> > you do that there is no idea that we are talking about it not where we
> are
> > at.
> >
> > When YOU do not know what is being discussed you either read up on it, do
> > some research, talk to people involved or keep out of it. Suggesting that
> > there is no clarity about such issues is exactly the kind of behaviour
> that
> > makes this situation worse because it leads to more procrastination. What
> is
> > needed is clarity to what extend the WMF is aware of this situation and
> what
> > involvement it can have, research is needed about the extend this type of
> > behaviour DOES affect our project and impacts the NPOV of controversial
> > subjects. This research is needed because it will prevent people from
> > ignoring or belittling this issue.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >        GerardM
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Mark Williamson wrote:
> >> > In response to this whole thread, I have two sentiments.
> >> >
> >> > First of all, stalking is bad.
> >> >
> >> > Second of all, we need to be clear about what is stalking and what is
> >> > not. Making fun of someone is not stalking. Pursuing someone and
> >> > repeatedly harassing them is.
> >> >
> >> Sure, without a clear idea about what the offence really is we are only
> >> dealing with subjective interpretations.
> >>
> >> Repeated harassment may sometimes be only in the eye of the person who
> >> sees himself harassed.
> >>
> >> We have recently had one person try to get a bot authorised on every
> >> project that he could, and viewed anyone who would go around after him
> >> to oppose this as harassment.
> >>
> >> Others will view any campaign to oppose all their AfD's as harassment.
> >>
> >> Unless we can come to an agreement about what we mean this will get
> >> nowhere.
> >>
> >> Ec
> >>
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