[Foundation-l] Board elections: Statistics

Sun Jun 8 11:35:28 UTC 2008

Hoi,
Change your language in your user preferences to Japanese and Betawiki is
not that English anymore.. When you hit the "Translate" button that can be
found in the sidebar, you will go immediately to the Japanese translation
track. The Betawiki software itself has been locaised into Japanese..
Betawiki IS a real MediaWiki wiki so it gives you context. I fail to see
your point.

The MediaWiki messages pop up from within the software.. The annotations
help understand the context. Without these annotations localisation is
indeed much more difficult and it is this what is offered in Betawiki only.
Once the localisation is done, the message do become available everywhere,
another advantage that you have nowhere else..

As all other projects, the localisation at Betawiki is done by well meaning
volunteers. We are happy with the work that is done but this does not imply
that it is as good as we would like to have it. To illustrate this point
look at the "group statistics" and you will notice how much work still needs
to be done for a first time. You will notice how much work needs to be done
for Japanese... When you state that the quality is not good enough for
Japanese, I will be the last to deny this. I will however be among the
people that will implore you to do the wiki thing and fix it.
Thanks,
      GerardM

http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > When you localise in Betawiki, you are provided with messages in English
> > that provide you the context of the message. When you localise outside
> > Betawiki such help is not available. I would argue that you should
> localise
> > in Betawiki because it helps you with the context. When these messages
> are
> > missing, it is only because nobody bothered to add them.
>
> Sorry disagree. When I am on Betawiki, I see only English MediaWiki
> files, not knowing where I will find it on a real wiki. It doesn't
> give us context.
> >
> > When you have suggestions to make Betawiki even better, we do welcome
> them.
> >
> > What we are looking for is more people that contribute to the
> localisation
> > process, certainly for a big language like Japanese it should be possible
> > not only to do the initial localisation but also to do the proof reading
> and
> > improve the available localisations.
> >
> > One question, when you found the localisation lacking, you do know how
> this
> > can be remedied, don't you !?!
>
> Why? I see only messages without knowing which MediaWiki file contains
> that. Why do you think I know something?
>
> Thanks,
> >      GerardM
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm a bit concerned Japanese low (lowest ever since 2004) and gave a
> >> look to Japanese setting (note: my home wiki is meta and I use English
> >> settings for convenience in communications with the other meta
> >> regular).
> >>
> >> I let some Eleccom members the problems I found, but one of them are
> >> noted worthy publicly, for warning other language setting problem. So
> >> sorry for duplications, if any.
> >>
> >> Japanese setting says "the Election 2008 is over" and has no
> >> instruction of voting method. No mention people are expected to rank
> >> candidates. I am amazed three people had voted even in this
> >> circumstance...
> >>
> >> If you are good at your language and English, please check Boardvote:*
> >> to see they are rightly translated.
> >>
> >> (That is partly why I am no big fan of betawiki way: translation out
> >> of context is sometimes disastrous confusing .. like the above).
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Yes, they are.
> >> >
> >> > 2008/6/7 Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi at gmail.com>:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@
> gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > > What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told why
> >> their
> >> >> > vote
> >> >> > > was struck? If not on either of these two, why?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mark responded to this yesterday:
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I noticed that afterwards, sorry. I'm still curious if for some other
> >> >> reason, if votes are struck, if the person whose vote is struck is to
> be
> >> >> notified?
> >> >>
> >> >> - Joe
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> foundation-l mailing list
> >> >> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >> Unsubscribe:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Jon Harald Søby
> >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > foundation-l mailing list
> >> > foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >> > Unsubscribe:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> KIZU Naoko
> >> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> >> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> foundation-l mailing list
> >> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > foundation-l mailing list
> > foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >
>
>
>
> --
> KIZU Naoko
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>
> _______________________________________________
> foundation-l mailing list
> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>