[Foundation-l] More prodigal son stuff

[Mike Godwin]

Gregory writes:

>  When the foundation demonstrates good performance at bringing needed
> love and attention to open projects, and initiatives by its own
> communities, then giving attention on those who have come from the
> proprietary world will be no cause for bad feelings.

I wholly agree with this sentiment.

I think nothing here is a zero-sum game. Telling people that Kaltura  
would welcome some attention doesn't, in my view, drain love and  
attention from open projects or from initiatives in its own  
communities, any more than the prodigal son made the father love his  
other sons any less.

I think what does drain love and attention is needless negativity on  
mailing lists, among other things.

So, if I saw the Kaltura announcement and thought it was giving too  
much attention to a privately funded experiment, I might say to the  
rest of the community and to the Foundation, "what is it that we can  
do right now to make sure that open projects and our own initiatives  
get the attention they now need?"  And then, presumably, people in the  
community could reasonably decide to give time to Kalture, to give  
time to other projects, or to continue to give time to baiting people  
on mailing lists, depending on whatever pleases them most. Everything  
can be understood as an opportunity cost, if you want to analyze the  
world that way. But I think that's a pessimistic view. I wouldn't be  
surprised if all these projects ultimately fed into each other,  
inspired one another, and even lead to convergence -- just as  
Wikipedia itself and other projects have.

We should be ready for the best to happen.


--Mike





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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:21:33 EST
> From: daniwo59 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership
> 	with	Kaltuna and l...
> To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
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> In a message dated 1/18/2008 8:06:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> shimgray at gmail.com writes:
>
> On  18/01/2008, Chad <innocentkiller at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We  already delete a  massive number of fair use images daily  
>> simply  being
>> a screenshot of XYZ singer or ABC video game. Are we to think  this  
>> won't
>> happen with video? Are the administrators of the various  projects  
>> ready to
>> deal with such an increased number of copyrighted  pages that will  
>> require
>> deletion? The only way to ensure that this  isn't a problem would  
>> to be to
>> extend our fair use provisions in the  various projects, allowing
> copyrighted
>> media to be added more freely.  We already see people taking the  
>> easy way
>> out and uploading  copyrighted images of famous people rather than
> attempting
>> to acquire  them freely.
>
> It strikes me that this is a very fatalistic  view.
>
>
>
>
> Actually, it is not quite as fatalistic as it would seem. I raised  
> this
> issue on Techcruch regarding the sample Naruto video. I could easily  
> have used
> the Xbox 360, the polar bears from National Geographic, or the long- 
> awaited and
> much anticipated Spice Girl reunion tour (they aged well, didn't  
> they?). The
> response is here:
> _http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/17/kaltura-partners-to-add-crowdsourced-video-to-wikipedia/_
> (http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/17/kaltura-partners-to-add-crowdsourced-video-to-wikipedia/ 
> )
>
> Michelle
> _January  18th, 2008 at 10:54 am_
> (http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/17/kaltura-partners-to-add-crowdsourced-video-to-wikipedia/#comment-1927975 
> )
> Danny,
>
>
>
>
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