[Foundation-l] Ru.Wikibooks

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Most definetly there are more projects like this. One of the reasons Ramir
has a point is because there is no functional framework for these kind of
issues. People take up an issue and make a ruckus often without taking time
to be diplomatic, without talking to the people involved. Everything is
presented as a crisis and consequently it has to be dealt with now because
it is so bad ... so lets vote because we must be right when we have voted
...

Many projects have their issues, many languages have their issues. People
who speak different languages are not heard by you, understood when they
speak in their language by you. When it is argued that we do not take enough
care of our smaller languages our smaller projects many people react
negatively because it can only detract from their project...

When you ask what can be done, the first thing is show respect, assume good
faith and talk. Preferably not like a mob. Have a body that deals with these
things quietly. The stewards do great work, but it would help when there is
a body of trusted people that are there to mediate or arbitrate. Quietly,
slowly, and authoritatively. Yes, there needs to be openness but in the end
the smooth optimal running of projects will make us accomplish what we are
about; provide information to all people of this world.

Thanks,
     GerardM

On Jan 9, 2008 2:20 PM, Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ramir is the only admin on ru.wikibooks and he has recently removed
> the Wikimedia banners from that project, and then reverted once when
> they were restored. This is the latest comment in a thread about this
> issue:
>
> Ramir writes:
>
> This is comical. An appointed representative (i. e. you) of a
> corporation (i. e. Wikimedia) is tactlessly suggesting that I (a
> long-proven, devoted Wiki-education enthusiast with no interest for or
> against the corporation) am biased. A mongrel mob of clueless,
> faceless, foreign-speaking door-to-door salesmen have knocked on
> Russian Wikibooks' door and, without ceremony, are accusing the
> housekeeper of being "biased" against their T-shirt manufacturing
> company. Just you all get out of here, pests. Go do some wiki work:
> moving and deleting, putting templates, voting ― you are much better
> at that than at marketing or any other form of socially constructive
> work. As of the hosting company itself, I know enough about them (as I
> mentioned, from my administrative correspondence with Angela Beasley,
> Florence Nibart-Devouard and Guillome Paumier) to be disappointed. You
> are not getting T-shirt orders from me. Nor from the people I drew to
> the project, I am sure. Ramir 03:09, 8 января 2008 (UTC)
>
> Clearly he is jaded against the Foundation and feels like his project
> has been ignored. I wonder if there are other small projects with
> similar feelings, and if there is something that can be done about it
> before it gets to this point.
>
> Nathan
>
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