[Foundation-l] Fair use being badly abused on en.wikipedia

[Nathan]

All this would do is reduce the number of images by
> creating more hoops to jump through - such a reduction doesn't
> discriminate between good and bad images.

Sure it does. You can't add an image with a non-free license to an
article without approval, and non-free license content that is not
attached to an article is deleted automatically.

The bureacracy is at least centralized - a single process for review,
not spread out among hundreds of people using their own methods and
interpretations. The object is not to include as much non-free content
as we can, after all, but as little as we can. BRD is a recipe for
what we have now - chaos and dissent on a daily basis, with multiple
AN/I threads active at any given time just on this subject alone.

(At this point, this should be a WikiEn-L thread).

Nathan



On Jan 7, 2008 2:22 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 07/01/2008, Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wouldn't it make sense to enforce the restrictions on non-free images
> > prior to upload rather than after, when its become viewed as 'content'
> > part of an article and folks are distressed about deleting it?
> >
> > If the object is to use non-free content only where we have to and
> > until we no longer have to (which it is) then each instance of
> > non-free content should be reviewed against this rubric before being
> > uploaded into the article space. By a person, or a group of people.
> > This may create a different sort of backlog than what we've got, but
> > at least it is a review/inclusion backlog rather than a deletion
> > backlog.
> >
> > Uploading is easy - making a superficially sufficient fair use
> > rationale is easy. Finding and deleting these images once they have
> > been uploaded is difficult, and the images are a risk and a violation
> > of our license while they remain. Therefore, the logical response is
> > to make uploading non-free content harder.
>
> That would involve a very large amount of bureaucracy and a lot of
> effort. I think Bold-Revert-Discuss is a good method for dealing with
> such images, just as it is for other types of content. The discussion
> is going to be just as heated whether it happens before or after the
> image is added. All this would do is reduce the number of images by
> creating more hoops to jump through - such a reduction doesn't
> discriminate between good and bad images.
>
>
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