[Foundation-l] Preservation of cultural diversity and minority languages

Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
Sun Feb 10 11:52:15 UTC 2008

Top posting is not an error it is obvious that you do, when it is how mail
is best supported in the tooling that you use... Having said that,

You do not answer the issue. You raised as a point the "swing away from
comprehensiveness" in a thread about languages and a perceived need for
concentration. I asked how and where this issue is applicable. I made it
personal because I do not care for vague rants, I want to know how people
are prevented from working on one Wikipedia as a consequence of what happens
in other Wikipedias. This is not intended as a personal attack, it comes
from a desire to have a practical understanding.

I do not get this understanding from your reply as it is completely
concentrated on something that happened in one Wikipedia.


On Feb 10, 2008 11:30 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro at gmail.com>

> > On Feb 9, 2008 9:04 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Please do understand that I for one am of the opinion that for reasons
> > > of comprehensivity, the english language wikipedia must remain a
> > > special concern, and for which reason the current swing away from
> > > an aspiration towards comprehensiveness on the english language
> > > wikipedia is to me a deeply regrettable developement.
> >
> >On 2/9/08, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > Who is stopping anyone from working towards a comprehensive English
> > Wikipedia ? What makes you say this is happening? If people are not
> > contributing towards this goal, they are surely doing something that
> they
> > feel is of value. Are they, as a result, stopping you from making your
> goal
> > happen?
> > Thanks,
> >       GerardM
> Well, let me first note that it is somewhat amusing to me to note how
> you managed to personalise this matter, having previously complained
> about the negative tone on this mailing list.
> I was making a general point about the english wikipedia, without meaning
> to refer to any specific people on it.
> Just to make sure I do not engage in personalizing the matter, let me use
> as an example an article created by a person I have myself clashed with
> in the past (some people will know better than others how deeply) to show
> how there is a palpable chilling effect for article creation on the
> english
> wikipedia. The creator of the page is a long time wikipedian, who nobody
> in their right mind would consider a bleeding heart inclusionist. Or more
> correctly, nobody in their right mind *would* have called him that, in a
> more gentle era.
> Our article on the [[true Catholic Church]] (and yes, apparently the
> "true"
> in the name is not written with a capital "T"), which used to be a
> thoughtful
> and thorough analysis on the doctrines the church holds, is now a redirect
> to its leader, which is a bare biographical sketch.
> If you are interested in what the "debate" for its deletion was like:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/True_Catholic_Church
> Just to balance things out, wikipedia doesn't have an article on the
> Estonian led international movement to create a LaVeyan church
> explicitly disavowing all evil influences, known as The Order of the
> Black Venus.
> Both deletions are things that affect me personally not at all, but for
> the
> chilling effect they have on my perception of what is welcomed at
> wikipedia. But that chilling effect is real.
> If you want to know what article I personally have created, has been
> given the cold shoulder treatement, let me just say that I know fully
> well, that I could source an article on [[Karri Miettinen]] aka.
> [[Paleface]]
> right up the wazoo. He was a subject of a scholarly comparative
> article discussing artistic practises in movie subtitle translation,
> authored for a top level cultural European Union panel, and has had
> and will continue to have media exposure (just most lately landing
> a position as a regular on a television game show) and publish via
> a major label (EMI, who specifically - according to the scholarly
> article referenced above - gave great liberties to his translation
> of Eminems movie 8 Miles song lyrics in deference to his artistic
> credentials and standing). But you know, I prefer to work in areas
> where I *don't* have to fight over every articles existence and over
> every sentence. I prefer to work where I feel confident that my work
> will be naturally accepted as constructive.
> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
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