[Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia-wide global blocking mechanism?

[Dan Rosenthal]

That's assuming that project's users read the village pump. I know I  
certainly don't read en.wp's village pump, and neither do quite a few  
other of my fellow editors.

-Dan
On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Birgitte SB wrote:

> The problem with opt-out is that a wiki must know this
> even *exists* in order to opt-out.  So if you are
> capable of notifing all the village pumps in a
> language they can comprehend, this is reasonable.  If
> you are not capable of that, opt-out is not
> reasonable.  If this is mainly for wiki's with no
> community, then allow stewards to "opt-in" such
> wiki's. If they have no community, they will not
> object.
>
> Birgitte SB
>
>
>
> --- effe iets anders <effeietsanders at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I agree with your concerns. However, currently a
>> similar system is
>> already active, proxyblocker. This system blocks
>> some (I dont know how
>> many) proxies, detected somewhere in 2005. Dont
>> worry, no new blocks
>> are being added, but some are still in place. The
>> user just gets a
>> message that he is blocked by proxyblocker. We could
>> pick a logical
>> name to appear in the message, that would point to
>> meta. Maybe
>> CrosswikiBlocker, or VandalbotBlocker or something.
>>
>> Opt-in is not workable. This new thing is mainly for
>> wiki's with no
>> community. You can only opt in if you have a
>> community. Hence, opt in
>> would not work. After all, the stewards mainly have
>> to block bots on
>> wiki's with no or almost no normal edits. when there
>> are people
>> around, and they have sysops and a community, they
>> can handle it
>> themselves generally. However, I would plea for
>> opt-out.
>>
>> For the unblocking, I do not think that should be a
>> major issue, if we
>> would choose for a maximum of a block in the range
>> of 1 day-1week. In
>> that case, the chance that someone is affected by
>> that block, but is
>> not the person who was doing the malicious edits, is
>> quite slim.
>> Furthermore, that person will survive to wait a day
>> or a week, no big
>> harm done. If it proofs to be a major blocker for a
>> specific
>> community, ie they would only have one IP for a
>> whole country or
>> something, they could opt out.
>>
>> BR, Eia
>>
>> 2008/1/31, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com>:
>>>
>>> --- Andrew Gray <shimgray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 31/01/2008, Birgitte SB
>> <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is the key problem.  I think that unless
>> we
>>>> are
>>>>> capable of notifing all wikis of about the
>>>> workings of
>>>>> this process in a language they are proficient
>>>> taking
>>>>> blocks Wikimedia wide will cause a lot of
>> harm.
>>>> Of
>>>>> course an opt-in system would be very
>> workable.
>>>>
>>>> Would logging it in the local block-log system
>> be an
>>>> acceptable method
>>>> of notification?
>>>
>>> I was more thinking first about a notification
>> that
>>> this ability even *exists* before addressing
>>> notification individual blocks. However regarding
>>> individual blocks what language are you proposing
>> the
>>> local log entry be written in?
>>>
>>> The only reasonable way to do this is to have the
>> log
>>> entries be a consistent pre-arranged formula that
>>> links to a local page explaining the system in the
>>> local language.  The best way to ensure that all
>> this
>>> is set-up is to use an opt-in system that requires
>>> these things be set-up before blocks .
>>>
>>> Anything else means some wiki(s) will wake up one
>> day
>>> to realize there are inexplicable blocks in place.
>>> Likely with logs entries they cannot read.  And
>> very
>>> likely when they start making inquiries no one
>> will be
>>> able to explain what has happened to them own
>> language
>>> leading to further misunderstandings.
>>>
>>> Seriously make a system to handle these blocks and
>>> require every wiki wishing to join the system file
>> a
>>> bug and things will go much more smoothly.  If the
>>> stewards find they are doing tedious manual blocks
>> on
>>> a certain wiki, they can encourage the that wiki
>> to
>>> file the bug.
>>>
>>> Birgitte SB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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