[Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

[effe iets anders]

Up to now, I kinda liked the fundraiser. Although they are very shouty for
what I'm used to (I dislike the red button for instance and the somewhat
agressive tone), I think this last change in message could use a *little*
step back. Please use a slightly smaller font, an slightly less shouty text.
To me it really reads like " wow, now we're really desperate, PLEASE COME
READ THIS ** APPEAL". I would really appreciate it if this last banner would
be done a little less in a way that comes to me (justified or not) as
"typical American"...

As said, a slightly smaller font, and a grey color could do miracles here.

Lodewijk

2008/12/23 Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell op gmail.com>

> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml op gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Some pretty nice comments mixed in there. ;-)  They also do a good job
> > explaining why we need money.
> >
> > [Jay: interesting to look at, might be nice to use some like their
> > comments in the future]
>
> Some of it is just hopeless.
>
> "Why can't they be self sufficient?"  is the sort of question that
> reflects a simple lack of consideration on the part of the asker.  Had
> they considered that question more carefully they would likely have
> answered it themselves.
>
> I.e. that asking for money *is* a form of self-sufficiency no less
> than any other method other than "spending no money at all" (which has
> obvious problems). So then the question is why ask rather than run ads
> or let company X pay for the ability to control the content, etc...
> and many counter arguments to these sorts of alternatives are obvious
> even to people who know nothing of our internals.
>
> Although my own experience is that many Americans are a bit baffled
> that we don't run ads. They've often not even heard the multitude of
> arguments against pervasive/invasive advertising.  I don't believe
> it's Wikimedia's place to argue against advertising, but there might
> be an opportunity for some of our community members to work with
> anti-consumerist groups like Adbusters to make a public argument as to
> why our current lack of advertisements is laudable from their
> perspective.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Dan Collins <en.wp.st47 op gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wait. Is donating supposed to make the banner go away?
> > Because it didn't.......
>
> Why would it? You can collapse it even without donating.
>
> (Or log in and make it vanish entirely with the gadget— the reason for
> it to not vanish entirely on collapse is that a lot of people will
> collapse then decide they want to donate later…)
>
> Though I suppose that might not be a bad feature, but on the other
> hand… we're not trying to hold people for ransom. You shouldn't have
> to pay to dispel the notice, requiring that wouldn't reflect
> Wikimedia's or our communities values well.
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