[Foundation-l] Wimimedia Radio WAS:RE: Legal position of audiorecordings of GFDLcontent?

Thu Apr 24 16:50:04 UTC 2008

This sounds awesome.  Might I nominate my recording of [[S. A.
Andrée's Arctic balloon expedition of 1897]]?

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>  ----- Original Message ----
>  From: Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org>
>  To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:34:23 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wimimedia Radio WAS:RE: Legal position of audiorecordings of GFDLcontent?
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> Of course, and I meant Wikimania 2009 not '08.
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>  Can someone tell me who would be a good couple of people from the WP
>  podcasts and front page management to talk to?
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> Brian McNeil
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> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pharos
>  Sent: 24 April 2008 03:36
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> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wimimedia Radio WAS:RE: Legal position of
>  audiorecordings of GFDLcontent?
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>  Fantastic idea.  Let's just remember to start modestly; otherwise it
>  might fizzle out like some of the video efforts.
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>  Thanks,
>  Pharos
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>  On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Brian McNeil
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> <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
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> > Let's run with the idea that provoked these questions to foundation-l, and
>  >  to the FSF. The most apparent one to most people here is the Spoken
>  Articles
>  >  on Wikipedia. They're from GFDL material and looking at the license as it
>  >  stands, none of the people drafting it dreamt an encyclopedia - let alone
>  >  audio portions thereof - would ever exist and be covered by it. Perhaps
>  it
>  >  is fortuitous that this aspect has come up before the new license is in
>  >  place? Perhaps there is a wider scope to consider in drafting it?
>  >
>  >  That "wider scope" is what one of the contributors to this discussion has
>  >  highlighted as a seriously headache-forming area under current
>  constraints,
>  >  namely Radio. Trust me, dealing with a license that was drafted when
>  >  hard-cased floppy disks were cutting-edge technology is going to give
>  Mike
>  >  Godwin headaches, not just the average list contributor.
>  >
>  >  So, yes, as a few people on a few of the non-WP projects are aware, the
>  idea
>  >  that provoked these questions was indeed radio. A 24/7 MediaWiki Radio
>  >  service running Wikinews new pieces, spoken Wikipedia, music from
>  Commons,
>  >  Lectures workshops and tutorials from Wikiversity, Quote of the Day from
>  >  Wikiquote, and "Book of the Month" from Wikisource. As the discussion on
>  the
>  >  Communications Committee list saw this labelled, "WikiRadio 4" (See WP
>  >  article on BBC Radio 4").
>  >
>  >  What are people's thoughts on this? Kicking the idea about on Wikinews'
>  >  Water Cooler has made it look that filling a repeated six or eight-hour
>  >  schedule is achievable within a realistic timeframe. It does not conflict
>  >  with projects getting off the ground to do podcasts, but would mean
>  they'd
>  >  need advised to start working towards fitting to broadcast time
>  constraints
>  >  as a way of having an eye on the future. Could we aim for a radio station
>  >  for Wikimania 2008, with Spanish lessons broadcast in the preceding
>  >  weeks/months? Could we persuade Wikipedia people to add "doing a
>  recording"
>  >  to the composition of the daily main page?
>  >
>  >
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> >  Brian McNeil
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>  >  From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
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> >  [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of geni
>  >  Sent: 22 April 2008 19:37
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> >  To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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> >  Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Legal position of audio recordings of
>  >  GFDLcontent?
>  >
>  >  On 22/04/2008, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  > One important question: how do you manage GFDL on spoken text? To the
>  >  >  satisfaction of, e.g., querulous Commons admins who deal with
>  >  >  licensing stupidities all the time? (Geni, I'm looking at you ;-) )
>  >
>  >  You can't but assuming you are dealing with more normal people there
>  >  are ways to do it.
>  >
>  >  >  Requiring a reading of the license on the end of all audios is
>  >  >  onerous. Our many spoken articles on English Wikipedia are
>  >  >  (presumably) not a violation as long as they're on Wikipedia, with the
>  >  >  license text a link away - but aren't really unencumbered for use
>  >  >  elsewhere.
>  >
>  >  Not the problem you might think. Obviously it will limit the formats
>  >  you can use. 45s and 78s are going to be basically unusable and 33s
>  >  would be fairly borderline.
>  >
>  >  For CDs it is less of a problem. You have a single track dedicated to
>  >  the legal stuff and everything else just as normal. If you want to put
>  >  multiple articles onto a single CD then it would probably a be a good
>  >  idea to take the approach of merging them into a single document. If
>  >  you make a CD that is say a series of spoken versions of our US
>  >  president articles then you are going to run into problems with the
>  >  size of the article history but by using synthesised speech and
>  >  dumping the lot on a separate CD it should be doable.
>  >
>  >  In the end it's just another version of the old overhead problem that
>  >  means the GFDL is useless for postcards as well.
>  >
>  >  Invariant sections can of course case massive problems. If an
>  >  invariant section is an image you are basically stuffed.
>  >
>  >  >Is the GFDL fundamentally discriminatory against the blind?
>  >
>  >  No more than many EULAs
>  >
>  >
>  >  >This in itself IMO is a strong case for porting to CC-by-sa.
>  >
>  >  Still runs into issues when faced with large numbers of authors. "keep
>  >  intact all copyright notices for the Work" has the same problem with
>  >  invariant sections as the GFDL.
>  >
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>  >  geni
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