[Foundation-l] List moderation enabled

[Dan Rosenthal]

I echo Florence's concerns. I believe it was a highly inappropriate  
maneuver and in protest, I do not intend to post to this list again  
until this moderation is removed. I hope others will join me in this  
effort.

-Dan Rosenthal
On Apr 16, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Florence Devouard wrote:

> Brion Vibber wrote:
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>> Florence Devouard wrote:
>>> Luiz Augusto wrote:
>>>> Thankyou so much for this! Please keep the moderation enabled  
>>>> forever :-)
>>> I do not share your enthousiasm.
>>>
>>> First because I never thought collective punishment was a cool  
>>> thing to do.
>>
>> Moderation isn't a punishment; it's a tool for slowing down an
>> overactive discussion so that posts can be made thoughtfully by many
>> parties, instead of being dominated by quick back-and-forth between a
>> few parties who happen to be online at the same time.
>
> I respectfully disagree.
> When you moderate by default, that also means that you decide when you
> liberate emails, hence disrupting the flow of conversation.  
> Depending on
> your own availability, emails may be liberated every hour, or suffer a
> 12 hours delay, effectively allowing a free flow at certains hours,  
> and
> preventing the discussion at other hours. You may also delay emails
> differently depending on people (or just because an email is too  
> long to
> read, whilst another is super short), hence again disrupting the  
> flow of
> discussion.
> Last, it can create overlap of answers to a question (since no one saw
> that someone else had already answered the question).
> In short, various inconveniences... created only because of a few
> disrupting individuals.
>
>>> Second because the list moderators (who are not Brion) may not be so
>>> happy at the idea of moderating 30 emails per day.
>>
>> Actually, I am one of the list mods. I wouldn't force someone else  
>> to do
>> that for me!
>
> First I heard that you are one of this list moderators.
> Moderators of that list used to be Michael and Austin.
>
>>> I would be much happier with generously and frequently putting in
>>> moderation carefully selected editors (anyone who might be  
>>> considered
>>> trolling a bit too much at some point, it might be many of us).
>>
>> More generally useful would be a speed bump for particular _threads_.
>> Moderating individual posters singles them out and both looks and  
>> feels
>> like "punishment".
>>
>> Further discussion would be more helpful if directed to actual
>> implementation of automated speedbump-style moderation; if you have
>> experience with this sort of configuration or patches for GNU  
>> Mailman,
>> please contact me offlist or direct it to wikitech-l.
>
> Yeah, if that is possible.
>
>> - -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)
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>
> A few months ago, Austin and I were list mod of Foundation-l.
> Several times, I put some guys in moderation. And then, I heard that  
> the
> Foundation was censoring some people.
> I thought about it carefully. Thought that my putting Anthony and co  
> in
> moderation was not censorship at all, but moderation. Yeah.
>
> Still, it travelled through my mind, and I decided to drop the
> moderation of that list, to make it clear that people could (as long  
> as
> they respected basic rules of civility and usefulness) freely speak.
>
> I called for volunteers. Michael agreed to do that "not fun" job.
> Which is why our two list mods are Michael and Austin.
>
> Both independant individuals.
>
> You know what Brion... I love you very very much. Yeah, that much.
> And I agree some guys or some topics should be moderated.
> And I trust you just did that totally in good faith.
>
> But... adding yourself as list mod, then moderating everyone, in your
> position of CTO of the Foundation... does not strike me as being a  
> good
> move really. It is in the same fluffy area than NDA, non-disparagement
> agreements, blogs only editable after approval by staff etc...
>
> But well, that is probably just me :-)
>
> Bisous
>
> Ant
>
>
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