[Foundation-l] Creative Commons CC-BY-SA Draft Statement of Intent

[effe iets anders]

2008/4/5, geni <geniice op gmail.com>:
> On 05/04/2008, effe iets anders <effeietsanders op gmail.com> wrote:
>  > 2008/4/5, geni <geniice op gmail.com>:
>  >
>  > >
>  >  >  >  - I would really like to see that CC is working on our license with
>  >  >  >  FSF and/or Software Freedom Law Center. At least to consult them about
>  >  >  >  the conditions. Actually, I am interested to hear what do those two
>  >  >  >  organizations have to say about the new conditions.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > The FSF produced the GFDL. I think that disqualifies then from telling
>  >  >  anyone else how to write a free content license.
>  >  >
>  >
>  > Thank you for your constructive behaviour.
>
>
> I like to think I've done what I can:
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GSFDL
>  http://gplv3.fsf.org/sfdl-draft-2006-09-26.html
>
>  What did you do?
>
>
>
>  >That they wrote a license
>  >  that stands in court and that does what it is intended for,
>
>
> The GPL? Yes they have shown an ability to write some of the better
>  free software licenses.
>
>
>  > of
>  >  *course* disqualifies them for having a good legal and cultural view
>  >  (not per se the truth, but a view) on changes in licenses.
>
>
> No writing the GFDL did that. Ever read the GFDL? I mean really read
>  it and consider what certain elements of it really mean? Consider the
>  case where you want to give a printed copy of an article to someone.
>

The GFDL is a fine license, for what it is designed for: Documentation
for software. We decided to use it for our encyclopedia, as it
apperently was the best on the market back then. There is no need to
attack FSF for the work they've done because of this. Every license
has it's boundaries. I am OK with accepting that the GFDL is not the
perfect license for our use, but that does *not* say that the
organisation is incapable. I tried to make clear that there work good
willing people there, and that they can bring in some good arguments.

Besides that, if you want to make the CC and GFDL interchangable,
you'll need the cooperation of FSF to get it going in a smooth way :-)

So no need for your bad feelings/faith, they can only do harm here. I
am glad to hear from Jimmy that they are involved in the conversation.
Honestly, I wouldn't have expected otherwise.

BR, Lodewijk

>
>  > No, we
>  >  should never try to ask their opinion, because the risk they could
>  >  make a valid point is too big! Brrrr
>  >
>
>
> They've had years to do so and have not done so. At this point the
>  only useful thing they can do is hand over the GFDL to CC.
>
>
>  --
>
> geni
>