[Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?

[Mark Williamson]

That's a good question :-)

On 02/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
>  Now who is trolling?
>  Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
>
>  On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > Yes, but remember that IMHO stands for "in my HUMBLE opinion".
>  >
>  > Mark
>  >
>  > On 02/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > > Hoi,
>  > >  You are wrong when you think that we do not know of the process of
>  > getting
>  > >  recognition in the ISO or IANA standards. We have been instrumental in
>  > >  getting linguistic entities considered. This is something that we do
>  > when we
>  > >  feel there is merit. The ISO may  be a big bureaucracy but it is
>  > interested
>  > >  in learning from us.
>  > >
>  > >  Again, we can and we do get recognition for linguistic entities if
>  > there is
>  > >  a need. We prefer not to, so the need must be convincing. It does not
>  > negate
>  > >  any of the arguments however about allowing for Wikipedias for dead
>  > >  languages. They are imho not a good thing to have.
>  > >  Thanks,
>  > >       GerardM
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria at gmail.com>
>  > wrote:
>  > >
>  > >  > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Andrew Whitworth <
>  > wknight8111 at gmail.com>
>  > >  > wrote:
>  > >  > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Pharos <
>  > pharosofalexandria at gmail.com>
>  > >  > wrote:
>  > >  > >  >  I've proposed the "Can
>  > >  > >  >  someone write an FA on the language's modern literature?"
>  > criterion
>  > >  > as
>  > >  > >  >  a useful surrogate for the types of criteria you suggest.
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  But just saying that a person "can" do something doesn't mean that
>  > the
>  > >  > >  person "will" do it. Volunteers work on what they want to work on,
>  > and
>  > >  > >  if nobody wants to write a particular article or class of article,
>  > it
>  > >  > >  will never get written.
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  Through Wikipedia policy, if the article exists then the topic
>  > must be
>  > >  > >  notable. However if the article doesn't exist, that doesnt mean
>  > that
>  > >  > >  the topic is non-notable. What this is, is a test with potential
>  > false
>  > >  > >  negatives.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > What I'm saying is, we have to allow an outlet for people proposing a
>  > >  > new language Wikipedia in a "historical" language to prove their
>  > case.
>  > >  >  Right now, the subcommittee tells them, "Don't bother me kid, go to
>  > >  > the International Organization for Standardization", which is an
>  > >  > impossible task, because the ISO is a big bureaucracy that just
>  > >  > doesn't deal with categorizing "historical" languages that are still
>  > >  > alive in a written form.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Writing an FA would not be easy, but it is a task that the proposers
>  > >  > of a new language Wikipedia in a "historical" language could be
>  > >  > reasonably expected to be able to accomplish to prove their case (or
>  > >  > not).  The time-scale for writing an FA would typically be a few
>  > >  > months, which is quite comparable to the time-scale of the -vastly
>  > >  > unproductive- back-and-forth arguments that characterize a typical
>  > >  > request to the subcommittee of this type.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Thanks,
>  > >  > Pharos
>  > >  >
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