[Foundation-l] Provisional Volunteer Council - proposal sent to the Board

Milos Rancic millosh at gmail.com
Tue Apr 1 17:28:02 UTC 2008

My opinion is that the discussion list of PVC should be this list,
foundation-l. PVC should take care about preparing documents for
talking here and for summarizing them. Everything between should be
discussed here. (Maybe PVC should define a couple of its own
meta-rules without public and to present it; but I am not sure about
that. I see non-public talks of PVC only as a possibility for talking
without noise because of productivity. All *important* things should
be solved publicly.)

At this phase, we need people who are able to spend some time and
organize talk here. So, yes, we need Lodewijk, but I am not sure how
many people are needed now for representation. While we will talk
(here) about a (more or less) real representative body, we (PVC) are
not a representative body. But, it is true that we represent different
ideas of organization.

Because of that, I would call all people who are interested in this
issue to watch this list and to participate whenever they think that
they have to say something. I am sure that we will consider every
constructive input.

So, while the real representation should be left for the Volunteer
Council, this list is representing the community/ies at some level.

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Lars Aronsson <lars at aronsson.se> wrote:
>  > effe iets anders wrote:
>  >
>  >  > I never claimed, and will not claim that this is a perfect
>  >  > representation, nor that it is ideal with respect to size.
>  >
>  >  Regardless of the words "perfect" and "ideal", you still use the
>  >  word "representation", but so far you have failed to explain in
>  >  what way these names "represent" anything more than themselves.
>  Maybe that's all it is, and all it can be. The provisional council is
>  just a group of volunteers with relatively diverse language and
>  project backgrounds, who are going to try to work out the logistics of
>  the final council. As far as I'm aware, this provisional council
>  doesn't have any "power" or "authority" or even "lasting importance".
>  All it is supposed to do is set the logistic background for a real
>  representative council. If all goes extremely well, the provisional
>  council could disappear forever within weeks. I'm not entirely sure I
>  see the point in arguing about the specifics of things like
>  "representation" when the body so so temporary and ephemeral.
>  >  The proposed resolution starts out with the high value of input
>  >  from the community of volunteers, then a list of names is proposed
>  >  for a (provisional) council, but it is not obvious how this
>  >  council creates input from any comminity of volunteers.
>  Well, maybe that is an issue that needs to be addressed by these
>  provisional council members individually. I personally put a high
>  premium on communication and openness, so I expect to be in regular
>  contact with community members to get a broad input on these issues. I
>  can't speak for anybody else, of course, but I like to think that
>  other members of this council will do the same. I think that people
>  are overestimating the amount work that this provisional council needs
>  to do.
>  --Andrew Whitworth
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