[Foundation-l] Information about the list [was: Relocation announcement]

Sat Sep 22 14:53:52 UTC 2007

Well, yes, this is right.
I'm considering to change the third line in the footer from
"http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l"
to "Unsubscription: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l"
and will do so, if I don't hear objection (resp. an amended proposal) ...

Michael

On 9/22/07, Rich Holton <richholton at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, the unsubscribe information is included as part of the message
> headers, and different mail clients handle them differently. Notice that
> the quoted messages (below) don't include the unsubscribe information,
> though list info is included.
>
> I use Mozilla Thunderbird 2.0, and the unsubscribe info does not show up
> anywhere that I could find, except in the raw message source--not
> somewhere that the typical user is likely to look.
>
> Not making excuses for Mr. Gunn...
>
> -Rich Holton
>
>
> Michael Bimmler wrote:
> > On 9/22/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> >> If a list admin doesn't simply remove Jim - which I believe is what he
> >> wishes, then provide simple unsubscribe instructions.
> >>
> >> Other lists I'm on periodically send out account details and unsubscribe
> >> instructions.
> >>
> >
> > You can set a flag in your options page
> > (http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/options/foundation-l) whether you
> > want to receive a monthly email with account information. Unsubscribe
> > instructions are at the bottom of each e-mail.
> > Michael
> >
> >> Brian.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> >> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of effe iets
> >> anders
> >> Sent: 22 September 2007 10:03
> >> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Relocation announcement
> >>
> >> Hi Jim,
> >>
> >> I have no idea who you are exactly, whether you are involved in Wikimedia at
> >> all, but could you please explain what the constructive part of your
> >> messages was? If you are not willing to have a *constructive* discussion,
> >> and only are willing to make personal attacks, please do no longer post on
> >> this list. Thanks.
> >>
> >> BR, Lodewijk
> >>
> >> 2007/9/22, jim gunn <jimgunnsigns at yahoo.ca>:
> >>> thank god for headers as in internet headers as I see you are in Toronto ,
> >>> using Bell which will make it beaucoup easier to stop you squids from
> >>> spamming me, also I can contact U.S immigration in Toronto or Detroit to
> >>> see if they want Sue in their country.  Always figured St. Petersburg was
> >>> just a post office box, but the Bay Area will be a great place for the
> >>> foundation-like they say it's like a breakfast cereal-lotsa flakes and
> >>> nuts..but that header made a world of difference-keep spamming me and I'll
> >>> have my buddies in the RCMP computer crimes division take care of it.
> >> Hell,
> >>> they're just down the street. This worked out great, Sue Gardner. thank
> >> god
> >>> for headers!
> >>>
> >>> Sue Gardner <sgardner at wikimedia.org> wrote:  Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> I wanted to let you know that later this year, the Wikimedia Foundation
> >>> will be relocating its headquarters to the San Francisco Bay area.
> >>>
> >>> You may know that we're currently in St. Petersburg, Florida. This was
> >>> an accident rather than a deliberate choice; when Jimmy started the
> >>> Foundation in 2003, he happened to be living here. And in the years
> >>> since then, Florida has been a very good home for us.
> >>>
> >>> But it's time to move. We need to be in a larger city that is more
> >>> suited to our work.
> >>>
> >>> In making this decision, we assessed five major cities: Boston, London,
> >>> New York, San Francisco and Washington, DC - as well as St. Petersburg
> >>> itself. The upshot: after a fairly detailed analysis, I recommended to
> >>> the board that the Foundation relocate to San Francisco, and the board
> >>> accepted that recommendation.
> >>>
> >>> Why San Francisco? It's the centre of high-tech in the United States.
> >>> It's home to plenty of like-minded organizations and possible partners,
> >>> top-tier universities like Stanford and UC Berkeley, world-class support
> >>> services, and major media. And it will be more convenient - and cheaper
> >>> - than St. Petersburg for international travel.
> >>>
> >>> There are also arguments for staying where we are. Moving will be
> >>> expensive, and may be disruptive for the community. And St. Petersburg
> >>> is less expensive than the Bay Area.
> >>>
> >>> But in the long run, San Francisco will suit us well, and will give the
> >>> Foundation a solid base from which to grow.
> >>>
> >>> Here is what's planned at this point:
> >>>
> >>> - The new office will open sometime this winter. We'll probably start
> >>> out in downtown San Francisco, until we get our bearings and choose a
> >>> permanent location.
> >>> - The St. Petersburg office will close late this winter, probably at the
> >>> end of January.
> >>> - We know that many people's personal circumstances will make it
> >>> impossible for them to move, but we are hoping that some of the current
> >>> staff will be able to come with us.
> >>> - The servers will remain in Tampa indefinitely. If we do choose to move
> >>> them, that would be a separate, subsequent decision. At this point, it's
> >>> not under active consideration.
> >>>
> >>> The board members have asked me, in this note, to thank the St.
> >>> Petersburg staff for their hard work and dedication. And I want to add
> >>> my thanks as well. It's a great group of committed, hard-working people,
> >>> and those who can't move with the office will be missed.
> >>>
> >>> I know many of you will have questions about the staff. Most of them I
> >>> probably can't answer, because, in general, individual staff issues are
> >>> confidential. But I will say that I take very seriously the
> >>> organization's obligation to its employees, and I am committed to
> >>> ensuring everyone is treated fairly and with care. The staff has been
> >>> informed and consulted throughout this process, and has made a good
> >>> contribution to it.
> >>>
> >>> In the coming months, the Foundation will be relying on the staff's
> >>> patience and cooperation, and on yours - we will need lots of support in
> >>> order for this transition to go smoothly.
> >>>
> >>> Please feel free to forward this note to anyone who might be interested,
> >>> and to contact me directly if you have any questions, or want to offer
> >>> help. We will probably put out a press release sometime next week, but
> >>> wanted to let you all know first.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Sue
> >>>
> >>>
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