[Foundation-l] Surveys

[Brock Weller]

To clarify, i don't believe they are seen as part of the community.
The REASON they are not is what i have no knowledge of, and instead
relying on others reasoning :)

On 10/2/07, Brock Weller <brock.weller at gmail.com> wrote:
> I rather expressly said they weren't my thoughts per se. They were the
> results of a rather long discussion among a couple dozen people,
> mostly old timers, on the irc channel this summer.
>
> On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > on 10/2/07 9:40 AM, Brock Weller at brock.weller at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > The reason behind this, i suspect, is that most people complaining are
> > > not seen as 'in the project'. There was a large discussion sometime
> > > ago about how at some point, early 2005 or so, the influx of new users
> > > got so great that we stopped being able to enculturate them to the
> > > mindset and goals of the project. There are simply quite a few people
> > > here who just never got it as a result of that. You can see it in the
> > > responses to certain situations on wiki and on the mailing list. It
> > > would be nice to begin to show new users the point and culture of the
> > > wiki again, but numbers just don, allow it, and the longer users are
> > > doing a fine job of shepherding the community as a whole in the
> > > correct direction that holds true to our original goals.
> >
> > I question some of your thoughts and reasoning here, Brock; but that would
> > be for another thread. Right now I think it a good idea to get a sense of
> > where we are as a collaborative project - from the perspective of its
> > people.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie at ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> OK... Forget the question :-)  I just realised there were another 30
> > >> emails
> > >>> above the one I responded to ;-)
> > >>>
> > >> Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally,
> is
> > the
> > >> state of online collaboration and community building; and I am
> > particularly
> > >> wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and
> identity
> > >> within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take
> a
> > >> Project's emotional temperature.
> > >>
> > >> In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing
> > List
> > >> who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
> > >>
> > >> However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are
> > feeling
> > >> abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when
> > >> these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners,
> > malcontents,
> > >> and as persons who "need to get with the program".
> > >>
> > >> In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other
> > >> without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely
> > >> inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
> > >>
> > >> I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would
> like
> > to
> > >> conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my
> > imagination,
> > >> or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
> > >>
> > >> My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a
> > survey,
> > >> but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
> > >>
> > >> My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There
> > is
> > >> plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I
> > welcome
> > >> your input.
> > >>
> > >> Marc Riddell
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > >>>> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
> > >>>> Of Debbie Garside
> > >>>> Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34
> > >>>> To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List'
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi
> > >>>>
> > >>>> By survey can you clarify what you mean please?  I do have
> > >>>> quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and
> > >>>> analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online
> > >>>> survey for an ISO TC.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best regards
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Debbie
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > >>>>> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
> > >>>> Of Casey
> > >>>>> Brown
> > >>>>> Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59
> > >>>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by
> > >>>>> individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large
> > >>>>> scale has been done yet.  This is definitely something that a few
> > >>>>> (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of
> > >>>>> who uses or edits the site.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Folks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
> > >>>>> been taken
> > >>>>>> on any online Foundation project?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
> > >>>>> it? If not,
> > >>>>>> would conducting such a survey be possible?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Marc Riddell
> > >>
> > >>
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> --
> -Brock
>


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-Brock