[Foundation-l] Live mirrors
toddmallen at gmail.com
Wed May 30 23:13:10 UTC 2007
Robert Horning wrote:
> Sebastian Moleski wrote:
>> On 5/30/07, Klaus Graf <klausgraf at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> I cannot see that blocking life mirrors is allowed by the GNU FDL:
>>> "You may not use technical measures to obstruct or control the reading
>>> or further copying of the copies you make or distribute."
>> It certainly is. Wikimedia can freely choose who it will distribute its
>> licensed content to. Users accessing Wikimedia sites with a web browser are
>> fine. Live mirrors leeching bandwidth are not. There is nothing that
>> mandates Wikimedia to distribute its contents to everyone for every reason
>> for no price.
> I think there needs to be made a point here, that the WMF certainly can
> control to whom and for how much they want to charge for people who want
> to copy content from Wikimedia servers. The GFDL explicitly permits
> even commercial projects and even for-profit corporations from making
> money off of content available under the GFDL.
> The difference here is that the WMF can't tell you what you can and
> can't do with that content after you have received that content...
> provided you use the content according to the terms of the GFDL. And
> even then the WMF has very little say in what can't be done with the
> content even if you breech the terms of the GFDL.... as the WMF doesn't
> even have a copyright on the vast majority (nearly all) of the content
> on Wikimedia projects. They couldn't even be a party in enforcing the
> GFDL for 99.9999% of the content. This is one area where the WMF is not
> as quite of a strong ground as the Free Software Foundation, as the FSF
> *does* own copyright on all of the "official" GNU software. So it can
> enforce the GPL for software it has a copyright to.
> In regards to "live" mirrors that are constantly sucking bandwidth off
> of the Wikimedia server farm, I would have to agree that this is a major
> problem and something that should be dealt with, both on a legal front
> as well as through technical means. I would be curious about some
> comparisons of the bandwidth need of a *very* active Wikimedia
> user/administrator who is on-line nearly 24/7 vs. one of these mirror
> sites. I think it would be easy for an active editor/user to suck at
> least 1 GB of data/day, but it would be along this order of magnitude of
> bandwidth. It would be an interesting test to see how much it would
> actually come out to in practice.
> Robert Horning
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> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
But even so, the Foundation has every right to say "It is totally
acceptable for a very active administrator (or even a very voracious
reader) to use 1 GB a day if they want to, but it is not acceptable for
a live mirror to do so." Legitimate (even if heavy) users of a site are
one thing, bandwidth leeches are quite another.
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