[Foundation-l] Clarification to existing resolutions

David Gerard dgerard at gmail.com
Fri May 18 09:23:13 UTC 2007

On 18/05/07, Jakob Voss <jakob.voss at nichtich.de> wrote:
> David Gerard wrote:
> > Erik Moeller wrote:

> >> Only if the license establishes restrictions _beyond_ the existing
> >> moral rights. If it merely recognizes whichever rights a jurisdiction
> >> grants, I do not see an issue with it.

> > The text of the license appears to claim such rights outside said jurisdictions.

> Yes it *appears to claim*. I am not a lawyer so I cannot tell you nor do
>   the laypersons that are currently discussing this issue inside the
> Wikimedia community instead of just directly contacting CC.
> By the way I find the energy to find problems in CC 3.0 really
> disturbing. This motivation should better be used to develope practical
> solutions to the dilemma of non-compatibility bewteen GFDL and CC-BY-SA.

If it upsets you so much that people dare raise concerns about issues
of concern, I'm not sure I can help you with that.

The other problem is in fact a different problem.

>    I bet that far the most majority of people interested in free
> knowledge are not interested such license details - they just want to
> share knowledge!

Indeed, which is why CC's attempt to monopolise the idea of such
creates practical problems for us right now, as I've outlined on this
list previously. I'm not just being querulous for the sake of it.

> Of course there are some different interests, and neither CC nor "we"
> are entities with homogeneous and static oppinions. But the main goal
> "free information" is the same. Factionalism by searching for
> differences between CC and Wiki*edia instead of commonalities is
> counterproductive. I really doubt that the differences of interest
> between CC and Wikimedia Foundation are as large as the differences of
> interests withing the Wikimedia chapters and the Wikimedia project
> communities.

It's not factionalism - it's flagging real problems that are already
causing problems for us.

No, I will not shut up about it.

- d.

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