[Foundation-l] Native American Tribes Policy

[Michael Bimmler]

On 5/16/07, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/16/07, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sorry... I don't understand this thread.
> >
> > I live in Europe. This thread is concerning the foundation... I don't
> > understand Indians... tribes... I don't understand.
> >
> > Is this the correct ML?
>
> I wonder why moderators allowed the originator to begin this thread here.
>
I actually do not see a reason to step in here. List administrators
have the task to deal with personal attacks and flame wars. Of course,
if a discussion went completely off-topic (say, people would start
discussing US politics en large on foundation-l), we might remind
people that this is not the right place to discuss it or we might even
declare a thread to be "closed". The very last sanction would be to
moderate people who are constantly trying to raise off-topic issues on
this list. However, I'm not willing to exert any kind of further
"censorship" on the topic raised here. If list subscribers think that
this is a matter for foundation-l (and obviously they do, as many have
responded), then so be it. If a discussion is out of place here, it's
best not to take part in it, because if nobody takes part in it, it
won't continue (what a beautiful piece of logic, isn't it?)

Michael, speaking as list moderator/administrator/whatever




>
> > Ilario
> >
> > Jeffrey V. Merkey wrote:
> > > Here's a great article on the topic with an explanation of the legal
> > > issues surrounding this debate.
> > >
> > > http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1055857097
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > Philippe Beaudette wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I have to tell you, as a former employee of an organization that dealt with Indian Sovereignty on a daily basis, I'm loathe to recommend that Wikipedia get involved in the recognized/non-recognized battle.  Particularly given that tripes are having recognition stripped and given even today - just google "Tribe Sovereignty stripped" for some interesting reading.
> > >>
> > >> There are too many uncertainties in this area, and frankly, I don't want to be the one (or suggest that anyone else is) to involve us in tribal policies.  I don't want to call the Chief/Chairman/Chief Executive of any of these tribes and say we're going to alter their article and this is why, and I think it's not good policy for us to get in the middle of this one.
> > >>
> > >> Federal recognition does not equal validity.  Until the BIA is straightened out, and the Department of the Interior, and ancient treaties, this is a field full of landmines, and I think we're best to stay the heck off of it.
> > >>
> > >> Philippe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Well, I can see I am wasting time with this debate. Federal recognition
> > > = verifiability (not validity). I think perhaps the policies may already
> > > be in place to deal with these issues under WP:V. One such fake tribe
> > > already has had an article purged out and deleted without the policy, so
> > > it appears folks have gotten the point. It does not matter if Wikipedia
> > > is involved in the debate or not. If a fake tribe gets listed, they use
> > > WP for misinformation and something happens, Wikipedia can retroactively
> > > deal with it the same way it handled the "fake professor" fiasco -- lots
> > > of bad publicity and public scrutiny. I guess it will get dealt with if
> > > and when it happens.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
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