[Foundation-l] PD in Israel

Florence Devouard Anthere9 at yahoo.com
Mon May 7 23:42:45 UTC 2007

Ah, and...

You know what....

Just as I was clicking on "send", another member who had not spoken yet, 
gave its opinion, which fully contradicts the 3 other ones opinion :-)

Well guys... looks like our position sort of reflects the uncertainties 
of commons vote.

So, as I told the board a few days ago, my position is to "wait and see 
till a US lawyer has given his analysis on this". I'll stick to it. And 
meanwhile, I invite the 4 board members who made comments, to engage in 
discussion on this list :-)


Florence Devouard wrote:
> The issue has been raised to the board. The board comment is Commons 
> must follow the widest possible copyright policy, meaning the most 
> conservative, meaning simultaneously following the laws of all countries 
> at once.
> As for the other projects, please see 
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy for more 
> information.
> Luiz also suggested other options, such as separate hosting (some 
> databases not in the USA). We would prefer to wait until we have again a 
> General Counsel on board to further explore such option.
> Sorry for those who will be disappointed and hoped to keep many 
> documents which are PD in some countries, but not PD in the USA. I do 
> not like this rule more than you, but, on Wikimedia Commons, we should 
> provide a safe harbour, a warranty of freedom, which would be damaged by 
> any adoption of PD-CountryXX tag system.
> anthere
> Yoni Weiden wrote:
>> Is there any possibility that the foundation represents it's insight on the
>> PD-Israel issue? I want to be 100% sure that there are images that are PD in
>> Israel but not PD in the US before I delete such images from the Hebrew
>> Wikipedia.
>> yoni
>> 2007/5/1, Luiz Augusto <lugusto at gmail.com>:
>>> On 5/1/07, Yann Forget <yann at forget-me.net> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Luiz Augusto a écrit :
>>>>> On 4/28/07, Ryan Dabler <zhaladshar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/27/07, Luiz Augusto <lugusto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm on a similar problem at the Portuguese Wikisource due to the
>>>>>>> [[:m:American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term]] (see
>>> on
>>>>>>> [1];
>>>>>>> but the problem is on PD-old-70 and posthumous works).
>>>>>>> I've proposed in a private e-mail to Anthere (not yet replied, I
>>> think
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> she is busy in others subjects) to create a set of wikis <lang>.non-
>>>>>>> us.wikisource.org hosted outside of the United States
>>> ({{derivative}}
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the Debian non-us software repository [2]) to host works PD-old
>>>>>> worldwide
>>>>>>> but copyrighted in the USA.
>>>>>> Why not just upload the texts to http://wikilivres.info ?  The
>>> servers
>>>> for
>>>>>> the site are located in Canada, and it was created by
>>>> [[s:fr:User:Yann]].
>>>>>> It seems like we would just be recreating the wheel here with this
>>>>>> proposal
>>>>>> when a good alternative already exists.
>>>>> Yann has a really good initiative setting up the wikilivres.info some
>>>>> mounths ago. But unfortunatelly this have limitations. Wikilivres
>>>> currently
>>>>> is so much like the Wikisource at the beginning: a ambitious
>>>> multilingual
>>>>> project in a single wiki site. I know the Wikisource project since
>>> 2004
>>>>> (when I have created my first user account on wikisource.org/wiki:
>>>> Lugusto,
>>>>> User ID 568). But I'm a active editor on Wikisource only since April
>>>> 2006.
>>>>> This isn't a coincidence. Is so much confuse to work in a project like
>>>>> Wikisource on a multilingual wiki. The user interface is one, you try
>>> to
>>>>> search from a writer and you get a page in spanish, you try to read a
>>>> text
>>>>> and get a page on italian...
>>>> At the beginning, I only thought about hosting documents in French. Then
>>>> I found that there are documents in English which might be usefully
>>>> hosted there. So now the objective it is to change Wikilivres to a fully
>>>> multilingual wiki. Just now, I have doubt about the usefulness to have
>>>> several subdomains seeing the number of users and documents, but I am
>>>> open to changes. Anyway you are much welcome to start a Portuguese
>>>> section there. And please come to discuss on #wikilivres on Freenode or
>>>> put suggestions on the wiki itself, as this is a bit offtopic here. ;o)
>>> I aren't telling to you change wikilivres.info. It is a functional wiki
>>> for
>>> theirs purposes. I've only replied to a question ;)
>>>> Anyway, is impossible to link to a page at the wikilivres.info from
>>>>> Wikipedia, Wikibooks (or from Wikisource itself) without using a
>>>> external
>>>>> link. This isn't userfriendly.
>>>> A solution was proposed for that.
>>> Thanks for all that have mentioned the interwiki map. This is new to me
>>> and
>>> I've made a request for addition.
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