[Foundation-l] Censorship: Speedy deletion of porn articles

[Mark Williamson]

On the contrary, there are supposedly over 1 million speakers of
Yiddish worldwide.

It is true that many are over the age of 40, but that does not take
away from the fact that it is still learnt as a first language and
very vigorous in certain Hasidic communities. The future outlook for
the Yiddish language is difficult to see. We'll have to see how many
people speak the language in 100 years.

But right now, it has a presence on the internet. There are many blogs
in Yiddish, some websites in Yiddish, and certainly many Yiddish
speakers with Internet connectivity.

So please, before taking jabs at yi.wp because of your incorrect
perception that there "aren't many people" who are well-versed in
mame-loshn, do some reading on the topic of Yiddish. Perhaps you'd
rather take some stabs at the Faroese language (fo.wp), which at least
for now has much fewer speakers.

Mark

On 11/03/07, Yonatan Horan <yonatanh at gmail.com> wrote:
> First of all I'd like to thank you for your response.
>
> On 3/9/07, Erik Moeller <erik at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > That said, getting too involved in the content practices of a
> > particular Wikipedia is also dangerous -- beyond some basic principle,
> > it can disrupt a community, and lead to forks and tension. I do
> > believe one of these principles should be: "Wikipedia is not censored
> > for the protection of minors." That will not change the fact that some
> > will simply use "notability" as an excuse to eliminate content they
> > find prurient.
>
>
> The problem is nobody is using the excuse of notability. They aren't
> claiming the article isn't notable, they are just claiming it should be
> deleted because it has something to do with porn.
>
> I think we should enshrine principles such as "NPOV" and "not
> > censored" - which are generally agreed upon - and leave it up to
> > community members to defend these principles. It is possible that it
> > could make sense to have a third instance, a sort of Wikimedia-wide
> > elected Arbitration Committee, to deal with long standing conflicts
> > that cannot be resolved locally.
>
>
> It's sort of hard to protect these principles when there are admins who will
> speedy delete articles and while there is a group of admins that oppose
> them, nobody is going to try to create an article on something to do with
> porn as it will be speedy deleted and he [may] be banned as a result. Of
> course, the other admins might then restore the article and start wheel
> warring but I think that will disrupt stability much more than foundation
> intervention will. Besides, if there weren't such admins (or those admins
> will refrain from wheel warring), what would be your suggestion as to
> defending these principles?
>
> Contrary to some people on here, most of whom are only speakers of English,
> I am not a huge fan of project autonomy as then each project (at least for
> the smaller ones) is basically governed by the rules of the first people who
> registered to it. I definitely don't see how someone can endorse de-facto
> rules as the community is the one that has the power to decide policy, you
> can't just have a bunch of admins deciding policy on their own... and I
> thought that admins aren't special users. In a small project, if somebody
> tries to change the current situation, they will, eventually (in one way or
> another) probably be forced off the project until there are enough people
> who manage to achieve administrator status who prevent this from happening.
>
> Anyway, I am totally for this idea of a Wikimedia-wide elected ArbCom. The
> problem with such a committee would be the language barrier (especially with
> a project like the Yiddish Wikipedia which has gotten way too much attention
> from stewards, etc. for its size and there really aren't many people who
> speak that language, let alone trusted users).
>
> Thanks,
> Yonatan
>
> --
> > Peace & Love,
> > Erik
> >
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