[Foundation-l] #wikipedia

[Sean Whitton]

Thanks for the correction ant.

I suggest discussion is moved to #wikimedia-irc or the talk page of
the guidelines, but probably not here. I only posted it here
originally because while #wikipedia is supposed to be for Wikipedia,
it ends up covering pretty much everything at times :)

Sean

On 20/06/07, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sean Whitton wrote:
> >> There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often.
> >> people are not able to get together and think about general solutions
> >> together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is
> >> #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more
> >> foundation/organization-related, not project-based.
> >
> > Precisely. If we could raise issues in the channel that really are
> > affecting multiple places, it's great. As you say, #wikimedia is
> > definately more geared towards WMF, and #wikipedia is appropriate for
> > project-related matters.
>
> Which is, when you think about it, the reason why this discussion should
> have taken place on wikipedia-l rather than foundation-l.
> I forgive the error, but #wikipedia is not a Foundation discussion
> really, it is a Wikipedia discussion.
>
> Ant
>
>
> >
> >> And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The
> >> mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki
> >> admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting
> >> the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go
> >> the right way.
> >
> > While I agree with you in principle, I personally do not believe that
> > talk about a specific project is harmful until it stops another
> > project being discussed. We do advertise that #wikipedia is for
> > projects that don't have a sufficiently active channel of their own.
> >
> > All the same, it is important to remember that not everyone is enwiki,
> > as you say.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > On 20/06/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have to say, that I like the channel as it is constructed now much
> >> more. Some pepole will want to move to the social channel now, I can
> >> only encourage that if that is the chat they are searching. Please
> >> consider a few points:
> >>
> >> *All Wikimediaprojects which are on IRC have their channel as in
> >> #projectname-langcode , for example #wikibooks-nl . Why would
> >> en.wikipedia be an example?
> >>
> >> The channel was often flooding with off topic talk, when I came there
> >> for help (yes, even a steward needs help sometimes) no-one was
> >> responding often, due to the heavy offtopic conversations about star
> >> trek and indeed politics, generally americal politics. If there was a
> >> respond, it was not possible to find it in the flood when are not
> >> using a irc client with highlighting (such as javachat).
> >>
> >> There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often.
> >> people are not able to get together and think about general solutions
> >> together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is
> >> #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more
> >> foundation/organization-related, not project-based.
> >>
> >> Freenode is a big network, and contains a lot of channels. I think it
> >> is not so very weird to move from channel, if you want a social talk,
> >> just go to the appropriate channel. If the social talk is a short
> >> spin-off of a Wikipedia-related issue, I guess there is nobody banging
> >> on your head.
> >>
> >> Yes, you are allowed (of course) to change from network. If you really
> >> feel that you cannot operate anymore in Freenode, you are free to
> >> choose another network, and go there. Consider however, that it is not
> >> as much Freenode you are having problems with here, you just disagree
> >> on a few rules for *one channel*. I guess it is easier then to set up
> >> another channel, such as ##Wikipedia .
> >>
> >> And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The
> >> mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki
> >> admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting
> >> the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go
> >> the right way.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Lodewijk
> >>
> >> 2007/6/20, Dejan Čabrilo <dcabrilo at gmail.com>:
> >>> On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 10:28 +0200, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
> >>>> Because Sean is one of our two IRC group contacts for Wikimedia (with
> >>>> James_F), member of Freenode staff (you know, this network you are using and
> >>>> whose rules you have accepted a long time ago).
> >>> Can we consider changing the network then, if our community and FreeNode
> >>> can't get along?
> >>>
> >>>> Admin on which project ? #wikipedia is supposed to be about the global
> >>>> Wikipedia project, if you wish to find admins of a dedicated project, you
> >>>> had better join the dedicated channel (I guess your sentence was
> >>>> English-language-Wikipedia-centric, so in that case the dedicated channel is
> >>>> #wikipedia-en, just like there is #wikipedia-fr or #wikipedia-de).
> >>> Usually admins on en.wikipedia. Several people used #wikipedia to
> >>> contact me for help, as I'm an admin on sh.wikipedia, and our channel is
> >>> mostly empty. It's easier to have a centralized place where people can
> >>> both direct you and help you.
> >>>
> >>>> Because someone had to do it. Sean was only bold enough to dare doing it.
> >>> I am bold enough to go and reconstruct AfD on en.wikipedia. But I don't
> >>> think changing the rules and desysoping all the admins that took part in
> >>> it would be a way to go.
> >>>
> >>>> Sean, I think you should make it publicly clear what the problems were, so
> >>>> that people really understand why your action was needed.
> >>> So, Sean should tell us why the channel we were in had problems?
> >>>
> >>> Dejan Čabrilo
> >>>
> >>>
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