[Foundation-l] #wikipedia

[Michael Bimmler]

On 6/20/07, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sean Whitton wrote:
> >> There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often.
> >> people are not able to get together and think about general solutions
> >> together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is
> >> #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more
> >> foundation/organization-related, not project-based.
> >
> > Precisely. If we could raise issues in the channel that really are
> > affecting multiple places, it's great. As you say, #wikimedia is
> > definately more geared towards WMF, and #wikipedia is appropriate for
> > project-related matters.
>
> Which is, when you think about it, the reason why this discussion should
> have taken place on wikipedia-l rather than foundation-l.
> I forgive the error, but #wikipedia is not a Foundation discussion
> really, it is a Wikipedia discussion.
>
Agreed. Could you maybe move this discussion to the appropriate list
(which is #wikipedia)? BTW: Remember, the IRC channels are not
official Wikimedia Foundation channels, so they shouldn't really be
discussed on the foundation list.
On the other hand, some IRC users complained that they couldn't make
input because it is discussed on foundation-l, "a list that no normal
wikipedian reads" (quote). So, maybe, it's really not the best list
for this discussion!?
Michael
> Ant
>
>
> >
> >> And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The
> >> mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki
> >> admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting
> >> the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go
> >> the right way.
> >
> > While I agree with you in principle, I personally do not believe that
> > talk about a specific project is harmful until it stops another
> > project being discussed. We do advertise that #wikipedia is for
> > projects that don't have a sufficiently active channel of their own.
> >
> > All the same, it is important to remember that not everyone is enwiki,
> > as you say.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > On 20/06/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have to say, that I like the channel as it is constructed now much
> >> more. Some pepole will want to move to the social channel now, I can
> >> only encourage that if that is the chat they are searching. Please
> >> consider a few points:
> >>
> >> *All Wikimediaprojects which are on IRC have their channel as in
> >> #projectname-langcode , for example #wikibooks-nl . Why would
> >> en.wikipedia be an example?
> >>
> >> The channel was often flooding with off topic talk, when I came there
> >> for help (yes, even a steward needs help sometimes) no-one was
> >> responding often, due to the heavy offtopic conversations about star
> >> trek and indeed politics, generally americal politics. If there was a
> >> respond, it was not possible to find it in the flood when are not
> >> using a irc client with highlighting (such as javachat).
> >>
> >> There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often.
> >> people are not able to get together and think about general solutions
> >> together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is
> >> #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more
> >> foundation/organization-related, not project-based.
> >>
> >> Freenode is a big network, and contains a lot of channels. I think it
> >> is not so very weird to move from channel, if you want a social talk,
> >> just go to the appropriate channel. If the social talk is a short
> >> spin-off of a Wikipedia-related issue, I guess there is nobody banging
> >> on your head.
> >>
> >> Yes, you are allowed (of course) to change from network. If you really
> >> feel that you cannot operate anymore in Freenode, you are free to
> >> choose another network, and go there. Consider however, that it is not
> >> as much Freenode you are having problems with here, you just disagree
> >> on a few rules for *one channel*. I guess it is easier then to set up
> >> another channel, such as ##Wikipedia .
> >>
> >> And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The
> >> mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki
> >> admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting
> >> the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go
> >> the right way.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Lodewijk
> >>
> >> 2007/6/20, Dejan Čabrilo <dcabrilo at gmail.com>:
> >>> On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 10:28 +0200, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
> >>>> Because Sean is one of our two IRC group contacts for Wikimedia (with
> >>>> James_F), member of Freenode staff (you know, this network you are using and
> >>>> whose rules you have accepted a long time ago).
> >>> Can we consider changing the network then, if our community and FreeNode
> >>> can't get along?
> >>>
> >>>> Admin on which project ? #wikipedia is supposed to be about the global
> >>>> Wikipedia project, if you wish to find admins of a dedicated project, you
> >>>> had better join the dedicated channel (I guess your sentence was
> >>>> English-language-Wikipedia-centric, so in that case the dedicated channel is
> >>>> #wikipedia-en, just like there is #wikipedia-fr or #wikipedia-de).
> >>> Usually admins on en.wikipedia. Several people used #wikipedia to
> >>> contact me for help, as I'm an admin on sh.wikipedia, and our channel is
> >>> mostly empty. It's easier to have a centralized place where people can
> >>> both direct you and help you.
> >>>
> >>>> Because someone had to do it. Sean was only bold enough to dare doing it.
> >>> I am bold enough to go and reconstruct AfD on en.wikipedia. But I don't
> >>> think changing the rules and desysoping all the admins that took part in
> >>> it would be a way to go.
> >>>
> >>>> Sean, I think you should make it publicly clear what the problems were, so
> >>>> that people really understand why your action was needed.
> >>> So, Sean should tell us why the channel we were in had problems?
> >>>
> >>> Dejan Čabrilo
> >>>
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