[Foundation-l] #wikipedia

[Florence Devouard]

Sean Whitton wrote:
>> There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often.
>> people are not able to get together and think about general solutions
>> together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is
>> #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more
>> foundation/organization-related, not project-based.
> 
> Precisely. If we could raise issues in the channel that really are
> affecting multiple places, it's great. As you say, #wikimedia is
> definately more geared towards WMF, and #wikipedia is appropriate for
> project-related matters.

Which is, when you think about it, the reason why this discussion should 
have taken place on wikipedia-l rather than foundation-l.
I forgive the error, but #wikipedia is not a Foundation discussion 
really, it is a Wikipedia discussion.

Ant


> 
>> And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The
>> mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki
>> admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting
>> the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go
>> the right way.
> 
> While I agree with you in principle, I personally do not believe that
> talk about a specific project is harmful until it stops another
> project being discussed. We do advertise that #wikipedia is for
> projects that don't have a sufficiently active channel of their own.
> 
> All the same, it is important to remember that not everyone is enwiki,
> as you say.
> 
> Sean
> 
> On 20/06/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have to say, that I like the channel as it is constructed now much
>> more. Some pepole will want to move to the social channel now, I can
>> only encourage that if that is the chat they are searching. Please
>> consider a few points:
>>
>> *All Wikimediaprojects which are on IRC have their channel as in
>> #projectname-langcode , for example #wikibooks-nl . Why would
>> en.wikipedia be an example?
>>
>> The channel was often flooding with off topic talk, when I came there
>> for help (yes, even a steward needs help sometimes) no-one was
>> responding often, due to the heavy offtopic conversations about star
>> trek and indeed politics, generally americal politics. If there was a
>> respond, it was not possible to find it in the flood when are not
>> using a irc client with highlighting (such as javachat).
>>
>> There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often.
>> people are not able to get together and think about general solutions
>> together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is
>> #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more
>> foundation/organization-related, not project-based.
>>
>> Freenode is a big network, and contains a lot of channels. I think it
>> is not so very weird to move from channel, if you want a social talk,
>> just go to the appropriate channel. If the social talk is a short
>> spin-off of a Wikipedia-related issue, I guess there is nobody banging
>> on your head.
>>
>> Yes, you are allowed (of course) to change from network. If you really
>> feel that you cannot operate anymore in Freenode, you are free to
>> choose another network, and go there. Consider however, that it is not
>> as much Freenode you are having problems with here, you just disagree
>> on a few rules for *one channel*. I guess it is easier then to set up
>> another channel, such as ##Wikipedia .
>>
>> And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The
>> mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki
>> admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting
>> the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go
>> the right way.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> 2007/6/20, Dejan Čabrilo <dcabrilo at gmail.com>:
>>> On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 10:28 +0200, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
>>>> Because Sean is one of our two IRC group contacts for Wikimedia (with
>>>> James_F), member of Freenode staff (you know, this network you are using and
>>>> whose rules you have accepted a long time ago).
>>> Can we consider changing the network then, if our community and FreeNode
>>> can't get along?
>>>
>>>> Admin on which project ? #wikipedia is supposed to be about the global
>>>> Wikipedia project, if you wish to find admins of a dedicated project, you
>>>> had better join the dedicated channel (I guess your sentence was
>>>> English-language-Wikipedia-centric, so in that case the dedicated channel is
>>>> #wikipedia-en, just like there is #wikipedia-fr or #wikipedia-de).
>>> Usually admins on en.wikipedia. Several people used #wikipedia to
>>> contact me for help, as I'm an admin on sh.wikipedia, and our channel is
>>> mostly empty. It's easier to have a centralized place where people can
>>> both direct you and help you.
>>>
>>>> Because someone had to do it. Sean was only bold enough to dare doing it.
>>> I am bold enough to go and reconstruct AfD on en.wikipedia. But I don't
>>> think changing the rules and desysoping all the admins that took part in
>>> it would be a way to go.
>>>
>>>> Sean, I think you should make it publicly clear what the problems were, so
>>>> that people really understand why your action was needed.
>>> So, Sean should tell us why the channel we were in had problems?
>>>
>>> Dejan Čabrilo
>>>
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