[Foundation-l] for the future...

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users, not bots.

2007/7/10, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester op gmail.com>:
> You elected to receive mail from other users through the function. It
> was optional. You opted in. Whether it's ethical or appropriate is a
> separate issue, but don't confuse it with you having opted in or not.
>
> -Swatjester
> On Jul 9, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Peter Halasz wrote:
>
> > Huh? Look. Voter turn out is important, sure. I voted in the election
> > too. But if i get a mass email which i never opted in for -- whatever
> > the intention -- it is spam. You cannot simply guess that i want your
> > mass email. Targeted spam is still spam. You have to go back and ask
> > me to opt in.
> >
> > On 7/4/07, phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki op gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 7/3/07, Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby op gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> (This is my personal opinion and does not reflect that of the
> >>> election
> >>> committee, etc, etc.)
> >>>
> >>> On 7/3/07, Anthony <wikimail op inbox.org > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/3/07, Jimmy Wales < jwales op wikia.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It seems pretty clear to me that it would be reasonable for the
> >>>>> Foundation to send out an official election reminder by email
> >>>>> in all
> >>>>> languages (or as many as we can muster) next time around.
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Sounds reasonable.  If it was done by the Foundation officially I
> >>>> don't think I would have had a problem with it.  Note the privacy
> >>>> policy specifically says that "The email address may be used by the
> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation to communicate with users on a wider scale."
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I was about to suggest the same thing, but technically slightly
> >>> different;
> >>> instead of having such notification as part of the standard email
> >>> yes/no
> >>> option, create a separate option saying "Allow the Wikimedia
> >>> Foundation to
> >>> notify me of important events (only used once or twice
> >>> annually)", or
> >>> something like it. It should, however, be quite clear that you
> >>> will not
> >>> get
> >>> a lot of emails from this feature, and that it should only be
> >>> used in
> >>> "emergencies" (in lack of a better word).
> >>>
> >>> This would allow people to choose to receive notifications, but
> >>> not be
> >>> emailed by other members, or to be emailed by other members but not
> >>> receive
> >>> notifications.
> >>
> >>
> >> This sounds like a reasonable solution, though there would have to
> >> be a big
> >> push to make sure current account-holders knew they could opt in.
> >>
> >> Though spam-like, I wouldn't consider the elections message spam --
> >> especially if it came from the Foundation directly. It is entirely
> >> possible
> >> that an otherwise dedicated editor could be away from the wiki for
> >> a couple
> >> of months and miss the election entirely; emails would help with
> >> that. We
> >> should just be careful about limiting the notices to the bare
> >> minimum of
> >> foundation-wide announcements that really do affect all users, and
> >> making
> >> them short.
> >>
> >> As with elections and participatory governance in the real world,
> >> it is not
> >> simply that the election is an opportunity for members to vote if
> >> they feel
> >> like it; instead it may be that those who claim the label of
> >> "community
> >> member" have some responsibility in sharing in governance. Thus
> >> griping
> >> about having too many reminders of the election seems, frankly,
> >> like poor
> >> form. Most of us will not be overwhelmed by an email or two from a
> >> project
> >> that we spend dozens or hundreds of hours on. Even if this is
> >> controversial,
> >> an opt-in option would be painless -- and it would be nice to be
> >> able to
> >> walk away from the wiki and still know that you'd get
> >> notifications if the
> >> place was burning down or similar.
> >>
> >> -- phoebe
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