[Foundation-l] Fair Use (again)
geniice at gmail.com
Mon Jan 29 21:13:13 UTC 2007
On 1/29/07, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
> We're not an 800 pound gorilla; but we're much more than a dancing macacque.
We're neither. For most the net we are wallpaper.
> I would like to second Cunctator's comments in general. Specifically,
> while I encourage the development of free content wherever possible, I
> want to be realistic that there's a tradeoff between covering
> something well and covering something badly but with entirely free
> content. I will always come down on the side of a better
> encyclopedia if an appropriate, legal fair use content add will better
> Wikipedia noticably.
> I had someone just last week suggest that we could find free
> replacement images for a spacecraft which had been assembled and flown
> in space already, both for the spacecraft under construction and for
> the landing. The only people who took and released photos of the
> assembly who are known are the official space agency photographers
> (not NASA, India's ISRO), and the landing took place several hundred
> kilometers out to sea, with one Indian Coast Guard ship and some
> helicopters in attendance. How exactly are we supposed to go back in
> time and convince a free-license photographer to go take pictures of
> those events that already happened? How do we convince ISRO and the
> Indian Coast Guard to let them do it?
Experience suggests it or scale models will turn up in a museum
> If we don't fight for the meaning and use of Fair Use, we both lose
> content for ourselves, and lose content for the whole community at
> large by not helping to uphold fair use vigorously.
I know of two legal systems that have fair use. People living under
other systems get by.
> If Wikipedia won't stand up for Fair Use, then it's a pretty sad
It is get used to it.
>We can be strident in supporting fair use, legal and proper in
> supporting fair use, and still prefer and work to create free content.
> They are not mutually exclusive.
Then why was I deleting trivially replaceable non free images for
rather a lot of last week? Are you seriously going to tell that since
February 2006 no one has been in a position to make a pic of Pickled
> But those who say "oh, if we remove
> it, free content of equal value will just sprint forth to replace it"
> frustrate me to no end. It won't, in a lot of cases, because it
Experience suggests otherwise and at present time there is no
significant movement toward deleting all fair use material.
> Promotional photos of all types are generally accepted to be put out
> there by people and companies to be reused.
Please provide details of the licence they are under
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