[Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week

teun spaans teun.spaans at gmail.com
Mon Jan 15 09:10:07 UTC 2007

May I disagree with this reasoning?

That the italian law disapproves of fair use makes it only more
compelling to find truly free images.

On the Dutch wiki we abolished fair use over a year ago, and it is my
wish the english wiki would do so as well: they are basically not
free. Forbidding them makes people more anxious to go hunting for
them. Or creating them.

Replacing fair use with NC is no real solution. I hear people
complaining about the need for air use all the time. There may be a
few cases (screenshots of commercial programs, photos of people who
died recently) for which no free alternative can be created. But
mostly  free alternatives can potentially be created.


On 1/15/07, senpai <wikisenpai at gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem is, that, some people here in ML, said that we can't use not
> free images. A picture that is PD only in the italian territory is, for some
> persons that have writed here, not free. The only thing that is important to
> me is the equity by the different language projects. If en.wiki can use the
> fair use images (that are not free) we must can use the "authorized" images
> and the CC-NC.
> Senpai
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Saintonge" <saintonge at telus.net>
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week
> > senpai wrote:
> >
> >>May be they cant' be so much thing in other country... but they can be in
> >>italy. I don't know if u know well or not the basics rules of procedural
> >>penal "civil law" system. In genral... if an italian people upload some
> >>images (like the one that u have take for the example) on commons, and
> >>that
> >>images must have an authorization, is not important if the commons servers
> >>are in florida or in italy or in another country, the italian people is
> >>under the italian penal law. Idem if an american people upload that images
> >>on commons and an italian people use this images.... U can't upload
> >>somthing
> >>with "PD" or CC-by (for example), on commons if not in all states u can
> >>use
> >>that materials. Commons, for that reason, had deleted all images that was
> >>tagged with "PD-Italy"... than... wich is the difference ?
> >>
> > Commons is a different project, and there is some sense to their
> > stricter rules.  Unless I misunderstand something "PD-Italy" means that
> > it is in the public domain in Italy.  (Has Italy accepted for copyrights
> > to last for life + 70 years, like the rest of the EU, or is it still
> > life + 50?)  If it is in the public domain in Italy I don't see why you
> > can't just upload it directly to it:wp instead of putting it into
> > commons.  If Italian law does not allow you to photograph a painting by
> > Botticelli in the museum in Florence this has nothing to do with
> > copyright, but is something else.
> >
> >>For other thing... i qoute Snowdog, if u want a free wikipedia, REALLY
> >>free... ok  u have to abandon the fair use, and we will abandon all not
> >>free
> >>images.
> >>
> >>
> > I think that many people will not accept that because they see it as
> > some kind of blackmail.  What the Italian language project does, and
> > what the English project does have nothing to do with each other.  In
> > Mexico copyrights last for 100 years after a person's death.  Keeping
> > everyone back because one country has such a longer term makes no sense.
> >
> > Ec
> >
> >
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