[Foundation-l] Use of logos within Wikimedia sites

geni geniice at gmail.com
Wed Feb 7 01:38:32 UTC 2007

On 2/7/07, DF <dragons_flight at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Geni,
> I must say, I admire your intellectual consistency, if
> nothing else.  By extension, all Wikimedia logos
> should also be deleted from Commons since they are
> unfree.

Pretty much. They can be hosted locally on projects for the places
where they have to be included (wiki.png and cross project links on
main page) and on:


> However, since the logos exist to help foster brand
> identity and benefit the project, I think a better
> solution is to set appropriate usage guidelines and
> allow them to be used by users within the various
> Wikimedia sites.

I think that would result in a mind bending complex situation. For
example who really owns the copyright on this image:


(the likely free version exists at
[[Image:Wikipe-tan-in-seasidewhiteball.PNG]] )

> I don't think it is either hard or
> burdensome to regard "Copyright by Wikimedia" as an
> exception to Wikipedia's fair use criteria,

Results in a very mess situation with derivatives and the use of the
logo when it isn't needed.

>and for
> the most part that has been the going practice since
> forever.

Apparently it has been going practice forever to tag images which
people had uploaded without copyright tag with
[[Template:GFDL-presumed]] I was not exactly happy about that either.

Our past copyright practices have been somewhere between poor and
appalling but the cleanup has begun.

> Unfortunately, since the WMF does own the logos, a
> certain amount of asking permission does seem to make
> sense, but this thread seems to reveal that the
> boundaries for what is or is not permitted are largely
> unresolved at this time.

We do not allow "with permission" images on en.


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