[Foundation-l] Moderation and this list
Dan Rosenthal
swatjester at gmail.com
Fri Dec 21 17:32:37 UTC 2007
Foundation-l, the mailing list nobody can edit for the encyclopedia
everyone can?
If we're going to get on the topic of censoring mailing lists, we
should deal with Wiki-en-l first, THEN foundation-l. Most of what I
see on foundation-l is constructive criticism, and inspired debate
with a few snide remarks, not straight trolling attempts. Moderating
this list would serve the effect of censoring legitimate criticism by
allowing it to be subjected to a "judgment call" by the list
moderators before being approved. You want to see a REAL cesspool,
spend some time at Wiki-en-l; after that this list smells like roses.
-Dan
On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Andrew Whitworth wrote:
>> I have to say that I agree with Birgitte here. For me, Foundation-
>> l has
>> becoming incresasingly useless as a mailing list because it is so
>> frequently dominated by people who seem to be very "bitter and
>> mean-spirited" to the point that they are on the attack no matter
>> what
>> happens.
>
> So ignore them, block them, ban them, etc. If there are people whose
> mean-spiritedness is preventing us from conducting legitimate business
> here, or is preventing this list from being a useful resource, those
> people should be removed from it. It is not anybody's duty or
> responsibility to "put up" with people who are unhelpful,
> unproductive, and even counter-productive. This list has a purpose and
> "empowering trolls" or "dealing with trolls" is not that purpose.
>
>> I am unsure what we should do about foundation-l. It has become a
>> sewer. It is difficult to balance our very strong desire for an
>> unmoderated forum where people can feel comfortable making strong
>> criticisms (nothing wrong with that!) with a forum where trolls are
>> exhausting a lot of good people and spreading misinformation due to
>> the
>> inability of others to keep up with the sheer volume of malice.
>
> I don't see why this list has to be "unmoderated". None of the wikis
> are unmoderated, and some of them are very strictly moderated. Set
> rules: legitimate users will follow them, trolls will not. This is not
> to say that the rules need to be complicated, or strict, etc. The
> rules may not even need to be explicit, set some moderators who have
> good judgement and tell them that they will "know it when they see
> it". Hell, it works for pornography in the US, it will work for trolls
> on the mailinglist.
>
> I would also submit a small disagreement that this list has become a
> "sewer", but it's effectiveness has certainly been limited
> unnecessarily.
>
> --Andrew Whitworth
>
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