[Foundation-l] David Shankbone in Israel

[Nathan Awrich]

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On Dec 19, 2007 8:59 AM, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> You've made your opinion perfectly clear on-wiki. I am seeking a wider
> consultation, not a continuation of that argument in a different venue.
>
>
> Brian McNeil
>
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> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] David Shankbone in Israel
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> In my opinion, the first-hand story-telling nature of this article, is a
> clear violation of WN:NPOV which is not just a Wikinews policy, but also a
> Foundation issue (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view).
>
> Don't get me wrong, it is great journalism, which could prove to be a coup
> for Wikinews, raising its profile. However, it is incongruent with existing
> policies.
>
> Ultimately, I fear that allowing this may be like opening Pandora's box.
>
> Sincerely,
> SVTCobra
> (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:SVTCobra)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian McNeil
> Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:09 am
> Subject: [Foundation-l] David Shankbone in Israel
> To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List'
> Cc: David Shankbone
>
> > David Shankbone's first report from Israel
> >
> (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Israel_Journal:_The_Holy_Land_has_an_image_prob
> > lem) has provoked a bit of controversy. One reaction I got was
> > "why the
> > segue into the COO issue?" It annoys me to see that the MSM are
> > now picking
> > this up (the COO issue) and whilst The Register broke the story
> > I don't
> > think they did anything beyond fact-check what their source told them.
> > Details from Wikinews' investigation have been lifted and
> > written into
> > recent coverage of the issue, we did check the Reg. story and we
> > found more
> > - including bankruptcy proceedings (PACER will give you a list
> > of the
> > creditors).
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, back to David in Israel, and I assume a fair number of
> > people are
> > aware this is an expenses-paid trip where the Israeli government
> > and friends
> > are footing the bill. David's first piece seeks to say "here is the
> > stereotype, but that's not what I'm here for". If you read the
> > talk you'll
> > see we have some people think you can't do any story about
> > Israel without
> > going "OMG! Israel-Palestine! Car bombs! Terrorists! Human rights
> > violations! Israeli oppression!". I agree with David's argument
> > that this is
> > like saying every coverage of the U.S. should have an aside
> > about Camp Delta
> > in Guantanamo - and I *know* people who'd do that too - we've
> > had to ban
> > idiots like that from Wikinews in the past.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd like people on the list to read this with a critical eye and
> > see what
> > they think about Wikinews developing policies and structure to
> > allow this
> > sort of reporting. Keep any eye out for David's forthcoming
> > reports. The
> > indications I have from private email are that they're keeping their
> > journalist guests busy about 12-14 hours a day and if they don't have
> > breakfast with Israeli technologists it's probably the only meal
> > of the day
> > they're getting off the job. Not a holiday by any means.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian McNeil
> >
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