[Foundation-l] Racism in Commons

[Bryan Tong Minh]

On Dec 5, 2007 9:32 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 5, 2007 12:12 PM, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 5, 2007 9:03 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 5, 2007 11:56 AM, Oldak Quill <oldakquill at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Exemplar images of anything is educational: the many aspects of sex,
> > > > violence, racism, propaganda, racism, hate, &c.
> > > >
> > >
> > > ...and we host exemplars of everything (short of child porn, I hope).
> > >
> > > That we properly host exemplars in a category does not mean that we
> > should
> > > host further examples which are not being used in educational articles
> > on
> > > any of the projects.
> > >
> > This implies that the Commons community prescribes what images other
> > projects should use. I think this is wrong: we should give projects
> > themselves the opportunity to choose whatever image they prefer.
>
>
> I don't think that implies that at all.
>
> 1. Another project can always locally host an image, if Commons won't have
> it.
That kinda defeats the purpose of Commons.

> 2. An image on Commons *not* used on any project is... wrong.  Regardless of
> whether it's controversial or not.
>
> I don't mind there being free image repositories.  It would not be a bad
> thing if the WMF formed one as a new project.  Commons, as it stands now, is
> specifically more focused on supporting the other projects.
>
I disagree. I believe that images on Commons should be _potentially_
useful for other projects. What is not used now may be used in the
future.

> If the particular images this is all about had been used as exemplars of
> racist images somewhere on an article or in a wikibook or whatever, I'd
> recommend having kept them regardless of how offensive they are.  But they
> weren't.
>
>
>
> --
> -george william herbert
> george.herbert at gmail.com
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Bryan