[Foundation-l] Wiki Scanner & wikinews

Debbie Garside debbie at ictmarketing.co.uk
Tue Aug 21 21:02:03 UTC 2007

I think, following this hullabaloo, you will find that FOX will be issuing a
directive to their employees saying that they are NOT allowed to use the FOX
network for making changes to wikis based on their personal knowledge and/or
beliefs and that anyone found doing so will suffer serious consequences :-)

I would expect senior management within FOX to have no prior knowledge of
any of this.  Maybe I am naive in my opinions :-)



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> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
> Of jason safoutin
> Sent: 21 August 2007 21:32
> To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Scanner & wikinews
> >Oh lets see... How about the little detail that without confirming
> >evidence there is no reason to believe that an edit made
> from a Fox IP
> >was an action endorsed by Fox?
> >With the widespread existence of things like open wireless access
> >points we can't even be sure if any particular edit was made
> by someone
> >employed by For or even using a Fox owned computer.
> >Yet the Wikinews article seems to happily go on and describe every
> >action coming from a company IP was an action of that company.
> >"the BBC had edited", "FOX News, and its parent company, News
> >Corporation had a history of unproductive edits" "FOX also edited"
> >"the CIA had been editing" "FOX's edits" "AP had made a few edits"
> >So would you also say that countless other Wiki(p|m)edians
> are editing
> >on behalf of their employers every time they edit from home
> and forget
> >to log out of their VPN? When they edit during a coffee break?
> >Is the only thing protecting me of an accusation of "Greg's employer
> >defends Fox in Wikipedia Whitewashing scandal" the fact that Gmail
> >doesn't send IP addresses?
> >It's sad to see us peddling the same sort of irresponsible
> journalism
> >that we've seen from the commercial market on this matter.
> At least in
> >their cases we can give them a pass due to a lack of
> understanding of
> >the technology.
> >Whats your excuse?
> My excuse...Do you know how IP address work? ONLY individuals
> employed by FOX News Channel, or News Corp have access to
> those IP addresses. ONLY employees are the ones who can log
> onto the internet with those IPs.
> Its simple. FOX News employees made the edits, as the tool
> says, under FOX News IP addresses, only able tp be used by
> employees. I or you or anyone else is not able to log onto
> the internet and use their IP ranges. That is impossible.
> This is not whitewashing. We did more than FOX. We did the
> AP, Reuters, MSNBC, CNN, and BBC. and all of those agencies,
> with the exception of FOX News were realitively clean in
> terms of edits.
> You see, before slam Wikinews and whitewash us, maybe you
> need to use the WikiScanner tool and understand how it works
> and also understand how IPs work as well.
> Jason Safoutin, Wikinews writer, administrator.
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