[Foundation-l] Alternative to paypal

[GerardM]

Hoi,
Google wants to get into the action and consequently they need people to
adopt their service. It is an accepted practice to provide a service in a
start up period for free. This is what Google is doing.. They do have
sufficient money to start a service in this way :)
Thanks,
     Gerard


On 8/16/07, Debbie Garside <debbie at ictmarketing.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Gerard
>
> I know nothing of Google collection systems.
>
> How many days does it take to transfer the money from Google to WMF using
> this system?  If the system delays for even a day that means Google are
> getting the interest on the monies held.  If it is direct transfer then
> Google are making it just on the marketing side which is OK.
>
> Nothing in this life comes for free ;-)
>
> Best
>
> Debbie
>
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> > From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of GerardM
> > Sent: 16 August 2007 06:29
> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Alternative to paypal
> >
> > Hoi,
> > In 2007 using the financial collection system of Google is
> > free. Period
> >
> > The money collected in this way in 2007 through Google will
> > not cost us money. Google has indicated in the past that they
> > are happy to help the Wikimedia Foundation, this gives us the
> > opportunity to ask for 2008 if they can do something about
> > the cost of the money given to the WMF through Google
> > Checkout. It isa really good marketing tool for Google to get
> > the attention of the general public for their payment system;
> > the trick is to get people to use it in the first place.
> > Thanks,
> >     Gerard
> >
> > On 8/16/07, Brad Patrick <bradp.wmf at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
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> > > Well put, Delphine.
> > >
> > > Others will look at this again, but there are no zero-cost
> > financial
> > > collection systems.  Moving money costs money.  Period.
> > >
> > > Other charitable organizations around the world are in awe
> > of what WMF
> > > has achieved.  We are leaders in the field.  Can it be
> > better?  Sure.
> > > Is there are way to build a consortium of non-profit philanthropic
> > > organizations to get this lowest-cost financial system built?  I'd
> > > love to see it.
> > >
> > > But it will take that level of novelty to make a serious
> > dent in costs.
> > >
> > > Delphine Ménard wrote:
> > > > On 8/13/07, Lars Aronsson <lars at aronsson.se> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I agree we should keep our eyes open for alternatives,
> > but the need
> > > >> doesn't seem to be urgent.
> > > >
> > > > I believe that there are way too many things to be taken into
> > > > account to actually solve this issue (if issue it is) on
> > a mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > Let me try and state what the Foundation would need to
> > answer before
> > > > finding the "perfect" fundraising tool.
> > > >
> > > > First, keep in mind that, unless I am mistaken, the Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation is about the only organisation in the world
> > achieving the
> > > > success it achieves with online fundraising (ie. not
> > sending emails
> > > > or paper, but by just displaying a site notic on its websites),
> > > > which in itself, whether or not paypal is the best way of
> > doing it,
> > > > is quite an achievement.
> > > >
> > > > Now, the things to be taken into consideration to find the best
> > > > fundraising tool are:
> > > >
> > > > 1) who gives and how do they give?
> > > > ie. are donors in the biggest donor pool comfortable giving with
> > > > this or that way of giving? In that case, seeing that the
> > Foundation
> > > > is primarily addressing US donors since it is a
> > registered charity
> > > > in the US, is Paypal the best recognized system, or would another
> > > > bring us more donors?
> > > >
> > > > 2) Financial efficiency of the fundraising tool
> > Considering tool X
> > > > is the right tool for our donors, do we get our money's
> > worth thanks
> > > > to this tool (ie. the fact that more people give is not offset by
> > > > the fact taht we pay xxx fees on using that fundraising tool).
> > > >
> > > > 3) International efficiency of that fundraising tool
> > Considering the
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation is a US based organisation, but has
> > a vocation
> > > > to fundraise across the world, is tool X the right tool
> > to make sure
> > > > that donors across the world will give?
> > > > ie. Canadians/Japanese probably being the next potential
> > source of
> > > > donations, do Canadians/Japanese trust/use tool X easily
> > to donate?
> > > >
> > > > These are three questions that would help us choose the "better"
> > > > fundraising tool.
> > > >
> > > > This said, the most important question to answer, in my opinion,
> > > > would
> > > be:
> > > >
> > > > "Why do people give? (or not give, actually)"
> > > > - Because it's easy to give (as in practical)
> > > > - Because it's in their language
> > > > - Because it's in their currency
> > > > - Because it's tax-deductible (in their country)
> > > > - Because they love us
> > > > - Because they trust the organisation(s)
> > > > - Because they wanted to give to something somewhere and
> > that's the
> > > > first thing that came to mind
> > > > - Because their donation does make a difference
> > > > - etc.
> > > > - Some of those reasons combined
> > > > - All of those reasons
> > > >
> > > > Answering all of those questions, would probably prevent debating
> > > > whether Paypal or Amazon or Moneybookers is the "best"
> > API, because
> > > > it would become evident what is the best solution.
> > Keeping in mind
> > > > that "the best" does not mean "the best for each and
> > everyone of us"
> > > > but the best in an average kind of way. Nobody's ever going to be
> > > > 100% happy about what tool we use anyway ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Delphine
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