[Foundation-l] Wikipedia:Office Actions

Delirium delirium at hackish.org
Fri Apr 27 06:10:15 UTC 2007

Nowhere did I disagree with office actions, merely with the sentiment 
that the Foundation trumps all concerns, including for the project, 
because "the Foundation is what matters".  The Foundation does not in 
itself matter *at all*; it matters exclusively insofar as it supports 
our projects.  I support office actions to the extent that they are 
consistent with the overall progress of our projects, taking all factors 
into account, which I think for the most part they are.


GerardM wrote:
> Hoi,
> I hope you are being silly. As long as THIS Foundation is here and, as long
> as it is THIS Foundation who deals with a legal threat you will have to deal
> with THIS Foundation. The philosophical possibility that you have to deal
> with a later organisation later does not deal with the reality of today.
> When you disagree, you disagree with the whole notion of office actions,
> when you disagree because of a philosophical reason, you are producing noise
> distracting from what is the issue.
> It has to be clear that for as long as Wikipedia is a Wikimedia Foundation
> project, Office actions are compulsory. The removal of content is in essence
> a necessary step in a process. When this process has run its course, the
> same data may be back depending on the outcome of the legal process.
> Thanks,
>     GerardM
> On 4/27/07, Delirium <delirium at hackish.org> wrote:
>> Brad Patrick wrote:
>>> The answer to someone who is suspicious of an action is ASSUME
>>> GOOD FAITH *precisely* because it is the Foundation acting.  Volunteers
>> come
>>> and go, the Foundation is the Foundation.  That is what matters.
>> Erm I just noticed this, but I'd have to disagree wholeheartedly.  The
>> Foundation can come and go; the projects are the only reason for its
>> existence, and it does not matter one whit independently of its support
>> for them.  They can outlast it and be supported by a new Foundation if
>> for some reason this becomes necessary, though of course this is not to
>> be sought out.
>> -Mark
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