[Foundation-l] What are the assets of the Foundation, anyway?

Mark Ryan ultrablue at gmail.com
Thu Apr 19 05:10:38 UTC 2007

On 19/04/07, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I do not think so Mark. I think you have not been reading all emails to
> say such a thing.
> What Danny and Kelly say are not only "criticism", they are personnal
> attacks and insults. When Danny says we are not taking responsability,
> it is something else. It is somehow accusing us on the legal ground.
> What will happen next ? Accusations of fraud ? Accusation of theft ? Or
> what ? Is there a limit ? And all we should do is smile and accept to go
> on being kicked ?
> I have not seen you make any comment on that. Did you call for
> moderation in the words they were using ? Did you tell Danny to tone
> down ? Did you ask Kelly to apology ? Don't you feel a responsability ?

I agree wholeheartedly that this conversation had became far too
tense, and I can understand you feeling angry as a result of it.
However, my point was that the behaviour one would expect from a Board
member is higher than from other people. To a certain extent, yes, I
would expect you to "grin and bear it", especially when a lot of what
has been said against you could be viewed as constructive criticism.

I note that the only potential incivility I can see on Kelly's part
was describing the Board as incompetent and "like chickens", and this
came after those quotes of yours and Erik's whyich I mentioned in my

As for Danny, and him toning down, I don't see anything on his part in
his emails which constitutes anything more than criticism of the
Board's activities and questions about how it is conducting itself.
But I can understand how you could view that an attack on yourself, so
I am sorry for not noticing that before I made my last post.

Hopefully now people can move above the personal level and work
together to help make Wikimedia a better organisation.

~Mark Ryan

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